New Lenses?! - Pentax Re-Hiring Engineers

K1D27H · 02-02-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by froeschle

Lenses:

2012:
ca. 50mm DA Standard -> FF

?
ca. 18-250mm Zoom
ca. 560mm Telephoto

2013:
ca. 20-40mm Zoom Limited
ca. 120-400mm Tele Zoom
ca. 10-30mm Wide Zoom
ca. 15-85mm DA* Zoom
1.4 x Rear Converter

No DFAs?

I sincerely hope that 50mm will be the once rumored DFA 50mm F1.0 SDM that was shown in the roadmap when Hoya owned Pentax.

K1D27H · 02-02-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Pentax has FF?

Perhaps he said it that way because several of the DA* lenses actually cover full frame sensor (tested on film camera).

Winder · 02-02-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

DA Limited tends to imply small/light, so I'd count on a f/4 lens before a f/2.

Since Pentax seems to be trying to disappoint me, you are probably right. Fast sharp glass is no longer their forte.

**Aristophanes** · 02-02-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

I guess too that some of the projects are for FF

None of the lenses have the FA designation.

And the FA 50/1.4 is missing.

stanleyk · 02-02-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Winder

A 25-75mm f/2 would be on my buy list.

That's going to be one big and pricey lens. The Nikon 24-70 F2.8 is huge and costs $1900. It's a great lens but it's a back breaker that's for sure.

Winder · 02-02-2012, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by K1D27H

Perhaps he said it that way because several of the DA* lenses actually cover full frame sensor (tested on film camera).

Film is much more forgiving that high resolution digital. Center quality would be high, but edge quality would be very poor, and AF points outside the center would be of little use.

Look at the test charts of the FA Limited lenses on APS-C sensors as posted on Photozone or Lenstips. Even on APS-C we see edge quality suffering. Now double the size of the sensor and you have a lens like a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 where the center sharpness is phenomenal, but everything outside the center is very soft and AF points are practically worthless.

bobell69 · 02-02-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

None of the lenses have the FA designation.

And the FA 50/1.4 is missing.

I saw a chart somewhere showing the full capability of a number of the DA lenses. Perhaps the new lenses coming out will be Full Frame capable

deadwolfbones · 02-02-2012, 09:14 AM

Or perhaps the names are just placeholders since a FF body hasn't been announced yet.

Who the hell knows?

K1D27H · 02-02-2012, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Film is much more forgiving that high resolution digital. Center quality would be high, but edge quality would be very poor, and AF points outside the center would be of little use.

Look at the test charts of the FA Limited lenses on APS-C sensors as posted on Photozone or Lenstips. Even on APS-C we see edge quality suffering. Now double the size of the sensor and you have a lens like a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 where the center sharpness is phenomenal, but everything outside the center is very soft and AF points are practically worthless.

I saw the test results as well, and a lens like 55mm 1.4 exhibits extreme vignetting in the corner of film. But a man can hope, can he not?

Blue · 02-02-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

Wow, that really looks good! A "DA Standard lens" is coming this year already! I bet that is a low-cost 50, it's placed at the 50 mark (and they say it's "standard", not "tele"? Hmm! So is it intended for FF too...?). And the "DA Telephoto" is placed at ... 550mm, is it? Wow! Also good that they reintroduce a super zoom this year.

Yes the DA tele is placed at the 550 mark on the pdf version of the roadmap.

Originally posted by SteveM

I'm wondering if the 550 will be SDM and how fast will the new 50 be..??

Lets hope the sdm follies are eliminated if they use it.

Blue · 02-02-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Ole

So Pentax is rumored to be hiirng back the lens designers they laid off a couple of yeards ago! So what is Pentax up to? A new series of ultra compact lenses for the K-01? A line of full frame (aka 24 x 36 mm sensor size) lenses? Or??

Exciting times!

The announced that there will be lenses released that work only on the aps-c mirrorless platform but the roadmap only shows the 40 XS. I wonder if that "Standard" they show will end up being a DA 50mm XS.

**Pål Jensen** · 02-02-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

I guess too that some of the projects are for FF

Yes, it seems to be a star 24-90/2.8. A very expensive lens that does not make that much sense for APS....

**Pål Jensen** · 02-02-2012, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by SteveM

I'm wondering if the 550 will be SDM and how fast will the new 50 be..??

My guess us that the 550 will be an F:5.6 lens. It will be brilliant; (semi) affordable and fast enough with todays possibilities of shooting at high ISO. It will also be liftable, hand-holdable and portable as opposed to a 600/4 lens. I own the latter, and believe me when I say that their novelty soon wears off due to their size, weight and unmanagearability(!). Not to mention their prohibitive cost.

Winder · 02-02-2012, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by K1D27H

I saw the test results as well, and a lens like 55mm 1.4 exhibits extreme vignetting in the corner of film. But a man can hope, can he not?

You can cope or you can save $200.00 and buy a Sigma 50mm F/1.4 and have faster quieter AF, with better performance from F/1.4-F/4. Why cope? Buy the better lens and save some money.

Unless size and weather sealing are your most important attributes. If anyone really believes Pentax is going to come out with a FF camera then they should not buy DA lenses.

Winder · 02-02-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Yes, it seems to be a star 24-90/2.8. A very expensive lens that does not make that much sense for APS....

I think it would be an excellent lens for APS-C. There are far more 28-75mm lenses used on APS-C than FF. A 24-90mm F/2.8 would be an excellent walk around lens for a K-5.

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02-02-2012, 08:58 AM	#46
K1D27H Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nakhon Pathom, Thailand Photos: Gallery Posts: 109	Originally posted by froeschle Lenses: 2012: ca. 50mm DA Standard -> FF ? ca. 18-250mm Zoom ca. 560mm Telephoto 2013: ca. 20-40mm Zoom Limited ca. 120-400mm Tele Zoom ca. 10-30mm Wide Zoom ca. 15-85mm DA* Zoom 1.4 x Rear Converter No DFAs? I sincerely hope that 50mm will be the once rumored DFA 50mm F1.0 SDM that was shown in the roadmap when Hoya owned Pentax.

02-02-2012, 09:00 AM	#47
K1D27H Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nakhon Pathom, Thailand Photos: Gallery Posts: 109	Originally posted by ogl Pentax has FF? Perhaps he said it that way because several of the DA* lenses actually cover full frame sensor (tested on film camera).

02-02-2012, 09:00 AM	#48
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by deadwolfbones DA Limited tends to imply small/light, so I'd count on a f/4 lens before a f/2. Since Pentax seems to be trying to disappoint me, you are probably right. Fast sharp glass is no longer their forte.

02-02-2012, 09:01 AM	#49
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by falconeye I guess too that some of the projects are for FF None of the lenses have the FA designation. And the FA 50/1.4 is missing.

02-02-2012, 09:04 AM	#50
stanleyk Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Taylor, Texas Posts: 1,018	Originally posted by Winder A 25-75mm f/2 would be on my buy list. That's going to be one big and pricey lens. The Nikon 24-70 F2.8 is huge and costs $1900. It's a great lens but it's a back breaker that's for sure.

02-02-2012, 09:09 AM	#51
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by K1D27H Perhaps he said it that way because several of the DA* lenses actually cover full frame sensor (tested on film camera). Film is much more forgiving that high resolution digital. Center quality would be high, but edge quality would be very poor, and AF points outside the center would be of little use. Look at the test charts of the FA Limited lenses on APS-C sensors as posted on Photozone or Lenstips. Even on APS-C we see edge quality suffering. Now double the size of the sensor and you have a lens like a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 where the center sharpness is phenomenal, but everything outside the center is very soft and AF points are practically worthless.

02-02-2012, 09:10 AM	#52
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by Aristophanes None of the lenses have the FA designation. And the FA 50/1.4 is missing. I saw a chart somewhere showing the full capability of a number of the DA lenses. Perhaps the new lenses coming out will be Full Frame capable

02-02-2012, 09:14 AM	#53
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Or perhaps the names are just placeholders since a FF body hasn't been announced yet. Who the hell knows?

02-02-2012, 09:14 AM	#54
K1D27H Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nakhon Pathom, Thailand Photos: Gallery Posts: 109	Originally posted by Winder Film is much more forgiving that high resolution digital. Center quality would be high, but edge quality would be very poor, and AF points outside the center would be of little use. Look at the test charts of the FA Limited lenses on APS-C sensors as posted on Photozone or Lenstips. Even on APS-C we see edge quality suffering. Now double the size of the sensor and you have a lens like a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 where the center sharpness is phenomenal, but everything outside the center is very soft and AF points are practically worthless. I saw the test results as well, and a lens like 55mm 1.4 exhibits extreme vignetting in the corner of film. But a man can hope, can he not?

02-02-2012, 09:21 AM	#55
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by gazonk Wow, that really looks good! A "DA Standard lens" is coming this year already! I bet that is a low-cost 50, it's placed at the 50 mark (and they say it's "standard", not "tele"? Hmm! So is it intended for FF too...?). And the "DA Telephoto" is placed at ... 550mm, is it? Wow! Also good that they reintroduce a super zoom this year. Yes the DA tele is placed at the 550 mark on the pdf version of the roadmap. Originally posted by SteveM I'm wondering if the 550 will be SDM and how fast will the new 50 be..?? Lets hope the sdm follies are eliminated if they use it.

02-02-2012, 09:23 AM	#56
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Ole So Pentax is rumored to be hiirng back the lens designers they laid off a couple of yeards ago! So what is Pentax up to? A new series of ultra compact lenses for the K-01? A line of full frame (aka 24 x 36 mm sensor size) lenses? Or?? Exciting times! The announced that there will be lenses released that work only on the aps-c mirrorless platform but the roadmap only shows the 40 XS. I wonder if that "Standard" they show will end up being a DA 50mm XS.

02-02-2012, 09:23 AM	#57
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by falconeye I guess too that some of the projects are for FF Yes, it seems to be a star 24-90/2.8. A very expensive lens that does not make that much sense for APS....

02-02-2012, 09:27 AM	#58
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by SteveM I'm wondering if the 550 will be SDM and how fast will the new 50 be..?? My guess us that the 550 will be an F:5.6 lens. It will be brilliant; (semi) affordable and fast enough with todays possibilities of shooting at high ISO. It will also be liftable, hand-holdable and portable as opposed to a 600/4 lens. I own the latter, and believe me when I say that their novelty soon wears off due to their size, weight and unmanagearability(!). Not to mention their prohibitive cost.

02-02-2012, 09:27 AM	#59
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by K1D27H I saw the test results as well, and a lens like 55mm 1.4 exhibits extreme vignetting in the corner of film. But a man can hope, can he not? You can cope or you can save $200.00 and buy a Sigma 50mm F/1.4 and have faster quieter AF, with better performance from F/1.4-F/4. Why cope? Buy the better lens and save some money. Unless size and weather sealing are your most important attributes. If anyone really believes Pentax is going to come out with a FF camera then they should not buy DA lenses.

02-02-2012, 09:35 AM	#60
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Yes, it seems to be a star 24-90/2.8. A very expensive lens that does not make that much sense for APS.... I think it would be an excellent lens for APS-C. There are far more 28-75mm lenses used on APS-C than FF. A 24-90mm F/2.8 would be an excellent walk around lens for a K-5.