Pentax 560mm ?

TenZ.NL · 05-06-2012, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

We should see it roll out later this year."

If it`s going to be DA*, IQ is probably nothing to worry about but the price will be higher then anticipated. End of the year would be fine, since I have to strech the budget

Still, I`m dying to see some official numbers regarding weight and size (and MRSP offcourse)

PePe · 05-06-2012, 04:38 AM

DA* ??? Hmmm....
Earlier hints from Pentax indicate more in the direction of a budget lens.

Vylen · 05-06-2012, 05:25 AM

Budget lens, or just made cheaper by borrowing an optical design common to telescopes. It could be a relatively cheap DA* lens for all we know. But that would just make things interesting if that's the case.

TenZ.NL · 05-06-2012, 05:41 AM

If Ricoh wants to play it smart marketingwise they should position it as a budget lens, just like the Canon 400mm F5.6L.
560mm with DA* optics in a relatively cheap (sub 2K) and weathersealed package would make a killer. That would make a great option for starting wildlife- and birdphotographers and serious competition for Canon, Nikon or the budget Sigma telezooms.

zapp · 05-06-2012, 07:05 AM

2k for a lens with 100mm front diameter ... does not sound inexpensive but cheap...
560/5.6=100

TenZ.NL · 05-06-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by zapp

2k for a lens with 100mm front diameter ... does not sound inexpensive but cheap...
560/5.6=100

Too much wishful thinking from my side...

Chaos_Realm · 05-06-2012, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

Budget lens, or just made cheaper by borrowing an optical design common to telescopes. It could be a relatively cheap DA* lens for all we know. But that would just make things interesting if that's the case.

If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ.

trublubiker · 05-09-2012, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Vylen

So... thanks to the super moon last night, I took a photo (as many did) and posted it on the Pentax Snaps Australia Facebook page (as many also did).

I posted the comment saying: "Taken tonight with a K20D and the DA 55-300mm. When is that 560mm going to see the light of day? It'd be perfect for this sort of thing

"

Pentax Snaps responded: "The DA* 560mm would have been perfect alright. We should see it roll out later this year."

So... take it as you will, either a slip of the fingers/tongue or an honest typo. But, if it was a slip, then it's got a DA* designation!

Pentax Snaps Australia's Facebook page appears to be hosted by C.R.Kennedy, the Australian Pentax distributor.

I've sent them an email referring them to the facebook post and asking when the DA*560mm is going to be released.

Be interesting to see their reply.

My gut feeling is that the new 560mm will have the DA* designation.

Bring it on !!!

Blue · 05-09-2012, 07:32 AM

I suspect that the 560 will be more along the lines of the DA 18-135mm WR in design.

Originally posted by Chaos_Realm

If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ.

I agree with that idea, except make it a D AF 400/4 WR. Maybe we will get lucky and it really is a 400 with the new TC.

Bophoto · 05-09-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Chaos_Realm

If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ.

Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6
in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like
35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is.
That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm.

Blue · 05-09-2012, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Bophoto

Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6
in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like
35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is.
That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm.

Tokina had a dual lens that was available in several mounts. I think it was a 40mm/80mm.

Clavius · 05-09-2012, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Bophoto

Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6
in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like
35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is.
That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm.

Weren't those the "poor man's zooms" in those days?

Blue · 05-09-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Weren't those the "poor man's zooms" in those days?

They were probably optically better than zooms in those days. They were generally smaller than zooms as well.

ElJamoquio · 05-09-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Blue

I suspect that the 560 will be more along the lines of the DA 18-135mm WR in design.

I agree with that idea, except make it a D AF 400/4 WR. Maybe we will get lucky and it really is a 400 with the new TC.

In my experience a 400 with a TC is inferior to a 'dedicated' 500/600, even if the 400 is a 'good' lens and the 500/600 is only an 'ok' lens.

The new canon is intriguing to me, though... if the TC/light path is dedicated to a particular lens then the problem should be mitigated.

Blue · 05-09-2012, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

In my experience a 400 with a TC is inferior to a 'dedicated' 500/600, even if the 400 is a 'good' lens and the 500/600 is only an 'ok' lens.

The new canon is intriguing to me, though... if the TC/light path is dedicated to a particular lens then the problem should be mitigated.

I am not talking about the run of the mill consumer grade TC. I am talking about some of the matched ones. For example the adaptall II SP 1.4x or the way Sigma currently does it or the way Pentax used to do it with there manual focus TC. The lens design and tc design are taken into account. That said, 560 is a weird focal length. 400 x 1.4 = 560.

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05-06-2012, 04:03 AM	#556
TenZ.NL Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Below sealevel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,100	Originally posted by Vylen We should see it roll out later this year." If it`s going to be DA*, IQ is probably nothing to worry about but the price will be higher then anticipated. End of the year would be fine, since I have to strech the budget Still, I`m dying to see some official numbers regarding weight and size (and MRSP offcourse)

05-06-2012, 04:38 AM	#557
PePe Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Helsinki, Finland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 597	DA* ??? Hmmm.... Earlier hints from Pentax indicate more in the direction of a budget lens.

05-06-2012, 05:25 AM	#558
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Budget lens, or just made cheaper by borrowing an optical design common to telescopes. It could be a relatively cheap DA* lens for all we know. But that would just make things interesting if that's the case.

05-06-2012, 05:41 AM	#559
TenZ.NL Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Below sealevel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,100	If Ricoh wants to play it smart marketingwise they should position it as a budget lens, just like the Canon 400mm F5.6L. 560mm with DA* optics in a relatively cheap (sub 2K) and weathersealed package would make a killer. That would make a great option for starting wildlife- and birdphotographers and serious competition for Canon, Nikon or the budget Sigma telezooms.

05-06-2012, 07:05 AM	#560
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,388	2k for a lens with 100mm front diameter ... does not sound inexpensive but cheap... 560/5.6=100

05-06-2012, 07:22 AM	#561
TenZ.NL Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Below sealevel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,100	Originally posted by zapp 2k for a lens with 100mm front diameter ... does not sound inexpensive but cheap... 560/5.6=100 Too much wishful thinking from my side...

05-06-2012, 07:43 AM	#562
Chaos_Realm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,251	Originally posted by Vylen Budget lens, or just made cheaper by borrowing an optical design common to telescopes. It could be a relatively cheap DA* lens for all we know. But that would just make things interesting if that's the case. If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ.

05-09-2012, 03:40 AM	#563
trublubiker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA Posts: 143	Originally posted by Vylen So... thanks to the super moon last night, I took a photo (as many did) and posted it on the Pentax Snaps Australia Facebook page (as many also did). I posted the comment saying: "Taken tonight with a K20D and the DA 55-300mm. When is that 560mm going to see the light of day? It'd be perfect for this sort of thing " Pentax Snaps responded: "The DA* 560mm would have been perfect alright. We should see it roll out later this year." So... take it as you will, either a slip of the fingers/tongue or an honest typo. But, if it was a slip, then it's got a DA* designation! Pentax Snaps Australia's Facebook page appears to be hosted by C.R.Kennedy, the Australian Pentax distributor. I've sent them an email referring them to the facebook post and asking when the DA560mm is going to be released. Be interesting to see their reply. My gut feeling is that the new 560mm will have the DA designation. Bring it on !!!

05-09-2012, 07:32 AM	#564
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	I suspect that the 560 will be more along the lines of the DA 18-135mm WR in design. Originally posted by Chaos_Realm If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ. I agree with that idea, except make it a D AF 400/4 WR. Maybe we will get lucky and it really is a 400 with the new TC.

05-09-2012, 07:37 AM	#565
Bophoto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	Originally posted by Chaos_Realm If they want to designate it DA* I hope that it's build with premium quality in mind. I figure if they are going to do something they may as well do it right. Although I think a DA* in the 400mm F4 range would be more suitable then a matching 1.4xTC could give that 560 for those that need it, with minimal loss to IQ. Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6 in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like 35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is. That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm.

05-09-2012, 07:40 AM	#566
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Bophoto Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6 in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like 35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is. That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm. Tokina had a dual lens that was available in several mounts. I think it was a 40mm/80mm.

05-09-2012, 08:34 AM	#567
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Bophoto Or a dual lens: DA* 400/4 and 560/5,6. Not a zoom, but 400/4 in short position and 560/5,6 in the long position. Remember that Leica? had a Dual or a trippel lens like 35, 50 and 70mm instead of a zoom in the 80is. That most be easier to do than a zoom, just optimised for 400 and 560mm. Weren't those the "poor man's zooms" in those days?

05-09-2012, 08:44 AM	#568
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Clavius Weren't those the "poor man's zooms" in those days? They were probably optically better than zooms in those days. They were generally smaller than zooms as well.

05-09-2012, 09:36 AM	#569
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue I suspect that the 560 will be more along the lines of the DA 18-135mm WR in design. I agree with that idea, except make it a D AF 400/4 WR. Maybe we will get lucky and it really is a 400 with the new TC. In my experience a 400 with a TC is inferior to a 'dedicated' 500/600, even if the 400 is a 'good' lens and the 500/600 is only an 'ok' lens. The new canon is intriguing to me, though... if the TC/light path is dedicated to a particular lens then the problem should be mitigated.

05-09-2012, 09:47 AM	#570
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ElJamoquio In my experience a 400 with a TC is inferior to a 'dedicated' 500/600, even if the 400 is a 'good' lens and the 500/600 is only an 'ok' lens. The new canon is intriguing to me, though... if the TC/light path is dedicated to a particular lens then the problem should be mitigated. I am not talking about the run of the mill consumer grade TC. I am talking about some of the matched ones. For example the adaptall II SP 1.4x or the way Sigma currently does it or the way Pentax used to do it with there manual focus TC. The lens design and tc design are taken into account. That said, 560 is a weird focal length. 400 x 1.4 = 560.