Originally posted by Frogfish Hi Wim. f8 is not required to get good IQ on this combo. It starts at f6.7 with the TC it is still excellent, however at f8 I'm getting a touch more DoF (when shooting birds) and that is now my default setting for this combo.
I didn't realise the FA* wasn't great with a TC wide open. The DA* is superb wide open and that's most often where I use it (unless with a TC for birds, or in this case yachts)
The IQ wide open not being great on the FA*300/4.5 + 1.4x TC is probably as much related to the TC as to the lens. Note however that I might be a bit picky...
The combo is still better than the average telezoom of course, and some may even find it more than acceptable wide open. Without TC, however, the lens just performs much better wide open, and with a visible difference (no pixel peeping). Starting at f/8 is when you no longer see this difference in IQ with or without TC, which is "important" when showing pictures with TC and without TC next to one another. I believe that consistency in a series is key.
However, I prefer to use the my 300mm at f/8 as well for the same reasons as you, regardless the addition of the TC.
I must admit I never used the DA*300/4 so I might have jumped to the conclusion of its similarity to the FA*300/4.5 in terms of IQ. No... that's a lie. I did use it for two or three shots once during a Pentax demo in a local store. I wanted to find out whether it worked on my Tamron 1.4x. I wasn't impressed, but that was mainly because of the SDM AF not locking focus on the TC (I had hoped this "problem" would have been for the first two DA* lenses only, that Pentax had "fixed" it in the DA*300/4). I didn't really compare IQ with what I got from my FA*300/4.5. Of course, on the F1.7xAF converter you wouldn't have that AF problem. I used to own that one as well BTW, but found it not very practical, hence I preferred keeping my Tamron 1.4x (on the screw driven tele lenses I use) and sold the F1.7x on the marketplace here.
I'm not going to get me a F1.7x again (prices have gone up too much for that one), so the DA560/5.6 is certainly an option for me. Looking forward to using it some day...
Wim