Pentax 560mm ?

littledrawe · 07-09-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

It's landscapes only there.

Thats what they want you to believe . . . . .

Chex · 07-09-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Then I'd pack a UWA lens though, not the coming 560mm. It's landscapes only there.

If it's sharp/sharpest at f 5.6-f6.3 I think it will do very well depending on it's price point

Anvh · 07-10-2012, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

I'm wondering if they are having issues with AF at 5.6 in even moderate light on the K-5.

Should be fine since you will mostly shoot at with decent light levels unless you want to shoot some stars with it but focusing on that isn't hard

ruggiex · 07-10-2012, 10:41 AM

If this thing isn't made to be FF compatible... that would almost suggest there's no FF body in the horizon, otherwise, it's a big missed opportunity to get professionals to be interested in Pentax I think... Unless this thing is going to be 'dirt cheap' comparatively and they have a whole separate lens roadmap they plan to release upon release of a FF body.

ElJamoquio · 07-10-2012, 10:57 AM

I'd literally bet on the lens being full-frame...., if there are anytakers.

french_mike · 07-10-2012, 11:03 AM

of course it will be, even the 200 and 300 DA* are (and a good few other)

RonHendriks1966 · 07-10-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by ruggiex

If this thing isn't made to be FF compatible... that would almost suggest there's no FF body in the horizon, otherwise, it's a big missed opportunity to get professionals to be interested in Pentax I think... Unless this thing is going to be 'dirt cheap' comparatively and they have a whole separate lens roadmap they plan to release upon release of a FF body.

My guess is that it is full frame compatible, since that isn't so hard to acchief for such a lens.

I think this isn't a professional grade lens (like the pro-lenses from Canon/Nikon costing more then $ 5000), but more in the under $ 2500 advanced amateur lenses.

rawr · 07-10-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

more in the under $ 2500 advanced amateur lenses.

I guess the only real prime competitor for it on Pentax is the Sigma 500mm f/4.5 EX DG APO, which is US$5000 at B&H. If they can bring it in for a few grand under that they will do very well.

Blue · 07-10-2012, 02:13 PM

I never really understood why Pentax discontinued the FA* 600/4 ED [IF]. It was always out of my price range. However, it was almost a special order item anyway. I think dropping it hurt their catalog. Same thing with the FA* 250-600/5.6 ED [IF]

**Pål Jensen** · 07-10-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by french_mike

of course it will be, even the 200 and 300 DA* are (and a good few other)

But those lenses are totally different constructions. The coming DA 560/5.6 will be much cheaper (but longer!) than a conventional ED IF telephoto and will be currently the only one of its type that I'm aware of. It seems to be of the same telescopic construction as the old Leitz Telyt 560mm lens explaining its lenght. These lenses are compromized optics suffering from fuzzy corners (the Leica lens did). This is of course not a problem for an APS lens. Hence, it is reasonably to expect that Pentax choose this construction because it makes a value for money package for APS (actually most of Pentax coming high-end lenses seems to be about making unique APS lenses with no FF counterpart anywhere). It will almost certainly cover FF but don't expect sharp corners....
Theres nothing on Pentax roadmap suggesting FF. If FF lenses are in the works they are not on the map...

**Pål Jensen** · 07-10-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I never really understood why Pentax discontinued the FA* 600/4 ED [IF]. It was always out of my price range. However, it was almost a special order item anyway. I think dropping it hurt their catalog. Same thing with the FA* 250-600/5.6 ED [IF]

Probably money loosing items. Besides, a 600/4 is a hell to use....
My guess is that they had a single person in Japan assembling the lenses. Moving this "production" to Vietnam was probably not worthwhile...

Sandy Hancock · 07-10-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

But those lenses are totally different constructions. The coming DA 560/5.6 will be much cheaper (but longer!) than a conventional ED IF telephoto and will be currently the only one of its type that I'm aware of. It seems to be of the same telescopic construction as the old Leitz Telyt 560mm lens explaining its length....
....Theres nothing on Pentax roadmap suggesting FF. If FF lenses are in the works they are not on the map...

What makes you think it's telescopic?
The knob at the end looks to be for a built-in lens hood, the knob in the middle is for the tripod mount, and the knob near the mount is for a drop-in filter. Apart from the colour, it looks exactly like a DA* lens to me.
And there are other lenses on the roadmap which strongly suggest a full frame might be on the horizon....

**Pål Jensen** · 07-10-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

What makes you think it's telescopic?
The knob at the end looks to be for a built-in lens hood, the knob in the middle is for the tripod mount, and the knob near the mount is for a drop-in filter. Apart from the colour, it looks exactly like a DA* lens to me.
And there are other lenses on the roadmap which strongly suggest a full frame might be on the horizon....

It has the optical construction similar to telescopes. It is a true telephoto lens; ie it is 560mm long at least.
What other lenses on the roadmap suggest FF? All says strictly APS and neither do the focal lenghts suggest FF.
However, I would not worry too much about the 560mm is FF compatible or not; I cant imagine many that would work with FF instead of APS in this focal lenght range. And where is that 840mm FF lens anyway?

normhead · 07-10-2012, 05:37 PM

There is a question about their being an FF coming? When a company official says they'd only develop an FF if it could offer something unique... he's already started the hype. The downside of that is that the Nikon D800 at 36 Mp has raised the bar considerably. It's hard to guess at this point what FF offering would be acceptable. Most are suggesting that 24 Mp is the next bar for APS-c. Could anyone actually offer a new model FF at less than 30? And Pentax has a 645 at 40 Mp, so they are really boxed in. I have the feeling I'm going to be using my K-5 for a long time.

The thing is, if Pentax doesn't already have a team with an FF camera under development, it's reached the point where it might be too late to jump in. If it's not out in the next year to year and a half, it's probably not coming. Everyone who considers FF critical already has one. Their only market is Pentax users with FF glass, hoping for an FF option. Most of the pros left long ago.

**Pål Jensen** · 07-10-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Just a bump to keep this thread alive. Pentax did say 2012 for release.
Attachment 133974

'Photokina in september along with the K-5 replacement. Hopefully we will see the Limited zoom and the 16-85/2.8(?) as well...

07-10-2012, 03:49 PM	#655
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by french_mike of course it will be, even the 200 and 300 DA* are (and a good few other) But those lenses are totally different constructions. The coming DA 560/5.6 will be much cheaper (but longer!) than a conventional ED IF telephoto and will be currently the only one of its type that I'm aware of. It seems to be of the same telescopic construction as the old Leitz Telyt 560mm lens explaining its lenght. These lenses are compromized optics suffering from fuzzy corners (the Leica lens did). This is of course not a problem for an APS lens. Hence, it is reasonably to expect that Pentax choose this construction because it makes a value for money package for APS (actually most of Pentax coming high-end lenses seems to be about making unique APS lenses with no FF counterpart anywhere). It will almost certainly cover FF but don't expect sharp corners.... Theres nothing on Pentax roadmap suggesting FF. If FF lenses are in the works they are not on the map... Last edited by Pål Jensen; 07-10-2012 at 04:38 PM.

07-10-2012, 03:50 PM	#656
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Blue I never really understood why Pentax discontinued the FA* 600/4 ED [IF]. It was always out of my price range. However, it was almost a special order item anyway. I think dropping it hurt their catalog. Same thing with the FA* 250-600/5.6 ED [IF] Probably money loosing items. Besides, a 600/4 is a hell to use.... My guess is that they had a single person in Japan assembling the lenses. Moving this "production" to Vietnam was probably not worthwhile... Last edited by Pål Jensen; 07-10-2012 at 05:00 PM.

07-10-2012, 05:36 PM	#658
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock What makes you think it's telescopic? The knob at the end looks to be for a built-in lens hood, the knob in the middle is for the tripod mount, and the knob near the mount is for a drop-in filter. Apart from the colour, it looks exactly like a DA* lens to me. And there are other lenses on the roadmap which strongly suggest a full frame might be on the horizon.... It has the optical construction similar to telescopes. It is a true telephoto lens; ie it is 560mm long at least. What other lenses on the roadmap suggest FF? All says strictly APS and neither do the focal lenghts suggest FF. However, I would not worry too much about the 560mm is FF compatible or not; I cant imagine many that would work with FF instead of APS in this focal lenght range. And where is that 840mm FF lens anyway? Last edited by Pål Jensen; 07-10-2012 at 05:50 PM.

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07-09-2012, 06:50 PM	#646
littledrawe Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Red Rock Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,514	Originally posted by Clavius It's landscapes only there. Thats what they want you to believe . . . . .

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Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	Originally posted by Clavius Then I'd pack a UWA lens though, not the coming 560mm. It's landscapes only there. If it's sharp/sharpest at f 5.6-f6.3 I think it will do very well depending on it's price point

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Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by derekkite I'm wondering if they are having issues with AF at 5.6 in even moderate light on the K-5. Should be fine since you will mostly shoot at with decent light levels unless you want to shoot some stars with it but focusing on that isn't hard

07-10-2012, 10:41 AM	#649
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	If this thing isn't made to be FF compatible... that would almost suggest there's no FF body in the horizon, otherwise, it's a big missed opportunity to get professionals to be interested in Pentax I think... Unless this thing is going to be 'dirt cheap' comparatively and they have a whole separate lens roadmap they plan to release upon release of a FF body.

07-10-2012, 10:57 AM	#650
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873 Original Poster	I'd literally bet on the lens being full-frame...., if there are anytakers.

07-10-2012, 11:03 AM	#651
french_mike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland and France Posts: 167	of course it will be, even the 200 and 300 DA* are (and a good few other)

07-10-2012, 11:04 AM	#652
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by ruggiex If this thing isn't made to be FF compatible... that would almost suggest there's no FF body in the horizon, otherwise, it's a big missed opportunity to get professionals to be interested in Pentax I think... Unless this thing is going to be 'dirt cheap' comparatively and they have a whole separate lens roadmap they plan to release upon release of a FF body. My guess is that it is full frame compatible, since that isn't so hard to acchief for such a lens. I think this isn't a professional grade lens (like the pro-lenses from Canon/Nikon costing more then $ 5000), but more in the under $ 2500 advanced amateur lenses.

07-10-2012, 12:32 PM	#653
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 more in the under $ 2500 advanced amateur lenses. I guess the only real prime competitor for it on Pentax is the Sigma 500mm f/4.5 EX DG APO, which is US$5000 at B&H. If they can bring it in for a few grand under that they will do very well.

07-10-2012, 02:13 PM	#654
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	I never really understood why Pentax discontinued the FA* 600/4 ED [IF]. It was always out of my price range. However, it was almost a special order item anyway. I think dropping it hurt their catalog. Same thing with the FA* 250-600/5.6 ED [IF]

07-10-2012, 05:18 PM	#657
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Originally posted by Pål Jensen But those lenses are totally different constructions. The coming DA 560/5.6 will be much cheaper (but longer!) than a conventional ED IF telephoto and will be currently the only one of its type that I'm aware of. It seems to be of the same telescopic construction as the old Leitz Telyt 560mm lens explaining its length.... ....Theres nothing on Pentax roadmap suggesting FF. If FF lenses are in the works they are not on the map... What makes you think it's telescopic? The knob at the end looks to be for a built-in lens hood, the knob in the middle is for the tripod mount, and the knob near the mount is for a drop-in filter. Apart from the colour, it looks exactly like a DA* lens to me. And there are other lenses on the roadmap which strongly suggest a full frame might be on the horizon....

07-10-2012, 05:37 PM	#659
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	There is a question about their being an FF coming? When a company official says they'd only develop an FF if it could offer something unique... he's already started the hype. The downside of that is that the Nikon D800 at 36 Mp has raised the bar considerably. It's hard to guess at this point what FF offering would be acceptable. Most are suggesting that 24 Mp is the next bar for APS-c. Could anyone actually offer a new model FF at less than 30? And Pentax has a 645 at 40 Mp, so they are really boxed in. I have the feeling I'm going to be using my K-5 for a long time. The thing is, if Pentax doesn't already have a team with an FF camera under development, it's reached the point where it might be too late to jump in. If it's not out in the next year to year and a half, it's probably not coming. Everyone who considers FF critical already has one. Their only market is Pentax users with FF glass, hoping for an FF option. Most of the pros left long ago.

07-10-2012, 05:53 PM	#660
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by rawr Just a bump to keep this thread alive. Pentax did say 2012 for release. Attachment 133974 'Photokina in september along with the K-5 replacement. Hopefully we will see the Limited zoom and the 16-85/2.8(?) as well...