Expecting CP+ DSLR announcement...

eurostar · 02-06-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by bobell69

It would be a very poor business decision to announce a K01 with a viewfinder in Japan. It would kill the sales of the K01 without the viewfinder.

The Nex 7 has not killed the sales of the lower models without the viewfinder, it seems.

gazonk · 02-06-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

The Nex 7 has not killed the sales of the lower models without the viewfinder, it seems.

That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7

(besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7)

eurostar · 02-06-2012, 09:38 AM

Like it would be quite different the price of the K-viewfinder from the K-01.

ogl · 02-06-2012, 09:42 AM

Rumor: Pentax will announce a K-r replacement at the CP+ show next week | Photo Rumors

rather fresh rumor

ogl · 02-06-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7

(besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7)

K-01 - lower K-r. K-300 - above K-r. K-3 - above K-5.

I think in such way...

eddie1960 · 02-06-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7

(besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7)

by the time you buy the EVF for the nex 5 it's not that substantial for what is in many ways a better camera
OTOH if there is a EVF K mount mirrorless that sells for $1300 it's a big bump from the K-01 and is targeted at different users (as the nex 5 is from the Nex 7 - i would bet that very few 5 owners actually buy the EVF)
Nex 7 availability has everything to do with the sensor supply is my guess. Sony was just in the unfortunate position of having announced and produced a small number before the sensor plant drowning killed supply. I know they have moved fabs to other plants but there is still a big hole in quantity that can be fabbed after losing a plant (given the time since launch we should be seeing the K5 and D7000 replacements which probably use the same sensor, but it looks like those are much further away (unless ricoh drops a big bomb at CP+ and launches Kr andK5 replacements - then what is left for photokina.... FF and a 645d replacement???)

DaveBlack · 02-06-2012, 10:07 AM

I will expect a three tier K-mount camera system from Pentx. The K-01 being the bottom of the line. Price at release at $750 USD but retailing below $700 and even droppingon down to $600 very quickly to compete with the other mirrorless cameras without viewfinders.

Then a mid-level camera based on the K-01 but having a pentamirror optical viewfinder. It might even have an hydbrid optical/digital viewfinder. It will be released at a price of just above $1,000 USD. I would expect this camera by late Spring.

Then a high-end dslr to replace the K-5. It will be released in late Summer and be price at released at $1,750. I will expect it to have the hybrid optical/digital pentaprism viewfinder.

From the interview with the Pentax R&D person I will expect those two cameras to be slightly smaller and have 100% viewfinder.

So for CP+ I only expect the K-01 in more colors to be announce. Then a long kit zoom for the Q. Plus some Ricoh stuff like the GXR APS-C fix zoom modual.

The more exciting stull will come in late spring, summer and fall.,

Dave

gazonk · 02-06-2012, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Nex 7 availability has everything to do with the sensor supply is my guess. Sony was just in the unfortunate position of having announced and produced a small number before the sensor plant drowning killed supply.

I thought that was the assembly plant, not the sensor plant?

Quote:

then what is left for photokina.... FF and a 645d replacement???)

And q-2

ogl · 02-06-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

I thought that was the assembly plant, not the sensor plant?

And q-2

Q-2 will be close to Photokina.

Caat · 02-06-2012, 10:24 AM

We've had expectations like this before in the run up to shows. Unless we get an actual leak I don't think anything will be announced.

DaveBlack · 02-06-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Q-2 will be close to Photokina.

Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks ago about a new Sony p&s sensor with even better IQ? It could see its way into the Q-2.

DaveBlack · 02-06-2012, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by ogl

K-01 - lower K-r. K-300 - above K-r. K-3 - above K-5.

I think in such way...

Seems very logical. Then again Pentax doesn't thick logically.

ogl · 02-06-2012, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by DaveBlack

Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks ago about a new Sony p&s sensor with even better IQ? It could see its way into the Q-2.

It seems it's for mobile phones...Or...? Not?

Mister Horrible · 02-06-2012, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Rumor: Pentax will announce a K-r replacement at the CP+ show next week | Photo Rumors

rather fresh rumor

Which was superceded by the same source a few hours later with this post:

Update: Pentax K-30/K-300 (K-r replacement) to be announced in 4-5 months | Photo Rumors

bodhi · 02-06-2012, 11:50 AM

no Pentax version
New SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD lens from Tamron | Photo Rumors

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02-06-2012, 09:32 AM	#16
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by bobell69 It would be a very poor business decision to announce a K01 with a viewfinder in Japan. It would kill the sales of the K01 without the viewfinder. The Nex 7 has not killed the sales of the lower models without the viewfinder, it seems.

02-06-2012, 09:37 AM	#17
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746 Original Poster	Originally posted by eurostar The Nex 7 has not killed the sales of the lower models without the viewfinder, it seems. That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7 (besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7)

02-06-2012, 09:38 AM	#18
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Like it would be quite different the price of the K-viewfinder from the K-01.

02-06-2012, 09:42 AM	#19
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Rumor: Pentax will announce a K-r replacement at the CP+ show next week \| Photo Rumors rather fresh rumor

02-06-2012, 09:43 AM	#20
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by gazonk That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7 (besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7) K-01 - lower K-r. K-300 - above K-r. K-3 - above K-5. I think in such way...

02-06-2012, 09:48 AM	#21
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by gazonk That's just because nobody is able to buy the NEX-7 (besides, it's quite a price difference from the 5n to the 7) by the time you buy the EVF for the nex 5 it's not that substantial for what is in many ways a better camera OTOH if there is a EVF K mount mirrorless that sells for $1300 it's a big bump from the K-01 and is targeted at different users (as the nex 5 is from the Nex 7 - i would bet that very few 5 owners actually buy the EVF) Nex 7 availability has everything to do with the sensor supply is my guess. Sony was just in the unfortunate position of having announced and produced a small number before the sensor plant drowning killed supply. I know they have moved fabs to other plants but there is still a big hole in quantity that can be fabbed after losing a plant (given the time since launch we should be seeing the K5 and D7000 replacements which probably use the same sensor, but it looks like those are much further away (unless ricoh drops a big bomb at CP+ and launches Kr andK5 replacements - then what is left for photokina.... FF and a 645d replacement???)

02-06-2012, 10:07 AM	#22
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	I will expect a three tier K-mount camera system from Pentx. The K-01 being the bottom of the line. Price at release at $750 USD but retailing below $700 and even droppingon down to $600 very quickly to compete with the other mirrorless cameras without viewfinders. Then a mid-level camera based on the K-01 but having a pentamirror optical viewfinder. It might even have an hydbrid optical/digital viewfinder. It will be released at a price of just above $1,000 USD. I would expect this camera by late Spring. Then a high-end dslr to replace the K-5. It will be released in late Summer and be price at released at $1,750. I will expect it to have the hybrid optical/digital pentaprism viewfinder. From the interview with the Pentax R&D person I will expect those two cameras to be slightly smaller and have 100% viewfinder. So for CP+ I only expect the K-01 in more colors to be announce. Then a long kit zoom for the Q. Plus some Ricoh stuff like the GXR APS-C fix zoom modual. The more exciting stull will come in late spring, summer and fall., Dave

02-06-2012, 10:07 AM	#23
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746 Original Poster	Originally posted by eddie1960 Nex 7 availability has everything to do with the sensor supply is my guess. Sony was just in the unfortunate position of having announced and produced a small number before the sensor plant drowning killed supply. I thought that was the assembly plant, not the sensor plant? Quote: then what is left for photokina.... FF and a 645d replacement???) And q-2

02-06-2012, 10:13 AM	#24
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by gazonk I thought that was the assembly plant, not the sensor plant? And q-2 Q-2 will be close to Photokina.

02-06-2012, 10:24 AM	#25
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	We've had expectations like this before in the run up to shows. Unless we get an actual leak I don't think anything will be announced.

02-06-2012, 11:10 AM	#26
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by ogl Q-2 will be close to Photokina. Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks ago about a new Sony p&s sensor with even better IQ? It could see its way into the Q-2.

02-06-2012, 11:11 AM	#27
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by ogl K-01 - lower K-r. K-300 - above K-r. K-3 - above K-5. I think in such way... Seems very logical. Then again Pentax doesn't thick logically.

02-06-2012, 11:14 AM	#28
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by DaveBlack Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks ago about a new Sony p&s sensor with even better IQ? It could see its way into the Q-2. It seems it's for mobile phones...Or...? Not?

02-06-2012, 11:20 AM	#29
Mister Horrible Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 100	Originally posted by ogl Rumor: Pentax will announce a K-r replacement at the CP+ show next week \| Photo Rumors rather fresh rumor Which was superceded by the same source a few hours later with this post: Update: Pentax K-30/K-300 (K-r replacement) to be announced in 4-5 months \| Photo Rumors

02-06-2012, 11:50 AM	#30
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