New Lenses Announcement (K and Q mount)

falconeye · 02-13-2012, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by 7samurai

I wouldn't be surprised that they come out with the first MF camera with DSLR functionality. ie K5 in MF. That would definitely warp the playing field.

What are you talking about?
The 645D is the MF K-5.
And if you mean live view, video or a more compact body, then this just needs a new sensor (which Pentax cannot make themselves) or a new mount, something which Leica already did in their S2 (which then would be first btw, not Pentax).

The point is that it is isn't a good goal to win a market (Sub-FF dSLRs) which is going to disappear (Olympus, Sony, Samsung and Panasonic already withdrew from the market). And Canikon will follow once they established their mirrorless roadmap and can fork their system camera business into mirrorless and FF.

Clavius · 02-14-2012, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

And Canikon will follow once they established their mirrorless roadmap and can fork their system camera business into mirrorless and FF.

Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's.

falconeye · 02-14-2012, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's.

IMHO, they will not actively push for it. We'll see how the market will evolve. I can be wrong. But this is how I expect it to evolve.

eurostar · 02-14-2012, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's.

Well, the only company that is keeping making real cameras (i.e.rangefinder) is Leica. All the others company switched to reflex in the sixties...

Kunzite · 02-14-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

IMHO, they will not actively push for it. We'll see how the market will evolve. I can be wrong. But this is how I expect it to evolve.

In other words, all the good things must die and be replaced by consumer junk

I hope you are wrong.

eurostar, real cameras are view cameras, not rangefinders! TLRs are nice, too

eddie1960 · 02-14-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

Well, the only company that is keeping making real cameras (i.e.rangefinder) is Leica. All the others company switched to reflex in the sixties...

Actually there is still zeiss and voigtlander as well but only if you consider a film camera a real camera

eurostar · 02-14-2012, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

In other words, all the good things must die and be replaced by consumer junk

I hope you are wrong.

eurostar, real cameras are view cameras, not rangefinders! TLRs are nice, too

You are right!

I went for many years asking why Pentax didn't produce a view camera and large format lenses for the cost of a P30 and a pair of 4-5,6 zoom...

Mister Horrible · 02-14-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's.

Yes, but nobody's making an 8x10 digital sensor, AFAIK.

35mm sensor is just a toy.

/sarcasm off?

Kunzite · 02-14-2012, 08:46 AM

A real camera is made of wood, by the way.
Nobody? Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back

eddie1960 · 02-14-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

A real camera is made of wood, by the way.
Nobody? Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back

and 10 MP for only the cost of a good size house.and people wonder why pentax doesn't just get a custom fab sensor

this might be part of the reason

WWWench · 02-19-2012, 12:36 PM

I hope Pentax fits the pricing in the range of the Nikon and Canon offerings, $125.
They should have the development costs mostly retired by now. Using the DA 35 2.4 with the 50 1.8 or 1.7 optics.

This lens could open the prime lens door to the Zoombies and boost K-01 sales.

SMC Pentax-DA 50mm F1.8 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Alizarine · 02-19-2012, 08:15 PM

3 50's then... DA* 50 f1.4, FA 50 f.14 and DA 50 f1.8

Some may say that's a bit too many 50's there... the main difference between the DA* and the FA in features are SDM and weather-sealing only? Does Canon have a 50 L?

**boriscleto** · 02-19-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Alizarine

3 50's then... DA* 50 f1.4, FA 50 f.14 and DA 50 f1.8

Some may say that's a bit too many 50's there... the main difference between the DA* and the FA in features are SDM and weather-sealing only? Does Canon have a 50 L?

The DA* is a 55 not a 50. The 50 1.8 is a totally new optical design.

ogl · 02-19-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by WWWench

I hope Pentax fits the pricing in the range of the Nikon and Canon offerings, $125.
They should have the development costs mostly retired by now. Using the DA 35 2.4 with the 50 1.8 or 1.7 optics.

This lens could open the prime lens door to the Zoombies and boost K-01 sales.

SMC Pentax-DA 50mm F1.8 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

I think Pentax will have a bit higher price than Nikon/Canon 50/1.8.

Alizarine · 02-19-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

The DA* is a 55 not a 50. The 50 1.8 is a totally new optical design.

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me there, I forgot it's a 55 (though not really much of a difference there in FL). If the 50 1.8 is a totally new design, then wouldn't that push costs up? Or is it not feasible to just import the FA 50 1.7 design into a DA/DA L lens body?

02-19-2012, 12:36 PM	#191
WWWench Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Palm Springs, CA Posts: 65	DA 50mm f1.8 I hope Pentax fits the pricing in the range of the Nikon and Canon offerings, $125. They should have the development costs mostly retired by now. Using the DA 35 2.4 with the 50 1.8 or 1.7 optics. This lens could open the prime lens door to the Zoombies and boost K-01 sales. SMC Pentax-DA 50mm F1.8 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

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02-13-2012, 03:19 AM	#181
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by 7samurai I wouldn't be surprised that they come out with the first MF camera with DSLR functionality. ie K5 in MF. That would definitely warp the playing field. What are you talking about? The 645D is the MF K-5. And if you mean live view, video or a more compact body, then this just needs a new sensor (which Pentax cannot make themselves) or a new mount, something which Leica already did in their S2 (which then would be first btw, not Pentax). The point is that it is isn't a good goal to win a market (Sub-FF dSLRs) which is going to disappear (Olympus, Sony, Samsung and Panasonic already withdrew from the market). And Canikon will follow once they established their mirrorless roadmap and can fork their system camera business into mirrorless and FF.

02-14-2012, 01:11 AM	#182
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by falconeye And Canikon will follow once they established their mirrorless roadmap and can fork their system camera business into mirrorless and FF. Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's.

02-14-2012, 04:34 AM	#183
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Clavius Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's. IMHO, they will not actively push for it. We'll see how the market will evolve. I can be wrong. But this is how I expect it to evolve.

02-14-2012, 04:39 AM	#184
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Clavius Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's. Well, the only company that is keeping making real cameras (i.e.rangefinder) is Leica. All the others company switched to reflex in the sixties...

02-14-2012, 07:39 AM	#185
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by falconeye IMHO, they will not actively push for it. We'll see how the market will evolve. I can be wrong. But this is how I expect it to evolve. In other words, all the good things must die and be replaced by consumer junk I hope you are wrong. eurostar, real cameras are view cameras, not rangefinders! TLRs are nice, too

02-14-2012, 07:51 AM	#186
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by eurostar Well, the only company that is keeping making real cameras (i.e.rangefinder) is Leica. All the others company switched to reflex in the sixties... Actually there is still zeiss and voigtlander as well but only if you consider a film camera a real camera

02-14-2012, 08:15 AM	#187
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Kunzite In other words, all the good things must die and be replaced by consumer junk I hope you are wrong. eurostar, real cameras are view cameras, not rangefinders! TLRs are nice, too You are right! I went for many years asking why Pentax didn't produce a view camera and large format lenses for the cost of a P30 and a pair of 4-5,6 zoom...

02-14-2012, 08:44 AM	#188
Mister Horrible Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 100	Originally posted by Clavius Why would those companies do that to themselves?! Somebody has to keep making real camera's. Yes, but nobody's making an 8x10 digital sensor, AFAIK. 35mm sensor is just a toy. /sarcasm off?

02-14-2012, 08:46 AM	#189
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	A real camera is made of wood, by the way. Nobody? Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back

02-14-2012, 08:58 AM	#190
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by Kunzite A real camera is made of wood, by the way. Nobody? Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back and 10 MP for only the cost of a good size house.and people wonder why pentax doesn't just get a custom fab sensor this might be part of the reason

02-19-2012, 08:15 PM	#192
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	3 50's then... DA* 50 f1.4, FA 50 f.14 and DA 50 f1.8 Some may say that's a bit too many 50's there... the main difference between the DA* and the FA in features are SDM and weather-sealing only? Does Canon have a 50 L?

02-19-2012, 08:18 PM	#193
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,476	Originally posted by Alizarine 3 50's then... DA* 50 f1.4, FA 50 f.14 and DA 50 f1.8 Some may say that's a bit too many 50's there... the main difference between the DA* and the FA in features are SDM and weather-sealing only? Does Canon have a 50 L? The DA* is a 55 not a 50. The 50 1.8 is a totally new optical design.

02-19-2012, 08:36 PM	#194
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by WWWench I hope Pentax fits the pricing in the range of the Nikon and Canon offerings, $125. They should have the development costs mostly retired by now. Using the DA 35 2.4 with the 50 1.8 or 1.7 optics. This lens could open the prime lens door to the Zoombies and boost K-01 sales. SMC Pentax-DA 50mm F1.8 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database I think Pentax will have a bit higher price than Nikon/Canon 50/1.8.

02-19-2012, 08:43 PM	#195
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by boriscleto The DA* is a 55 not a 50. The 50 1.8 is a totally new optical design. Ah yes, thanks for reminding me there, I forgot it's a 55 (though not really much of a difference there in FL). If the 50 1.8 is a totally new design, then wouldn't that push costs up? Or is it not feasible to just import the FA 50 1.7 design into a DA/DA L lens body?