CP+ show 2012

**monochrome** · 02-09-2012, 02:10 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Winder

Nothing exciting.....

A road map with no FA lenses. No fast primes. No plans to fill the gap from 77mm to 200mm.
A 1.4x TC that has been under development for 5 years and is still not ready, but they will try to get one out in the next 2 years.... maybe..... If you are lucky....

I think they had a map at the Pentax booth showing people how to find the Sigma booth if they had any lens questions.

I get that you don't think the K-01 is a good move but if you dislike Pentax so much why don't you just go get a Canon. You're getting boring.

RioRico · 02-09-2012, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

Look at the bright side of it: We can continue to speculate about cool features in new DSLR bodies possibly being released soon (there was some talk about K-r replacement in spring, right? Just a couple of months away...) instead of having angst-ridden threads about possible manufacturing faults in the new bodies

Yes, let the ~~mental masturbation~~ informed speculation continue apace. What else have we to do? This beats having to go out and photograph something, eh?

Docrwm · 02-09-2012, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Nothing exciting.....

A road map with no FA lenses. No fast primes. No plans to fill the gap from 77mm to 200mm.
A 1.4x TC that has been under development for 5 years and is still not ready, but they will try to get one out in the next 2 years.... maybe..... If you are lucky....

I think they had a map at the Pentax booth showing people how to find the Sigma booth if they had any lens questions.

An f1.8 isn't a fast prime? Wow, what do you want an f0.95?

recando · 02-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Yes I was hoping for a K-5 replacement too. I still got the K10D and well I thing it´s time for a change... If there will be a replacement for the Kr we can be shure, it can´t be better than the K-5. The K-5 will be in the shops for at least a few more months. So if the new Kr would be better than the K-5there would be no use of buying a K-5. They say the K-01 has the same cmos like the K-5 but the quality is better.... I want a DSLR! nothing else! With a OVF!

arnie0674 · 02-09-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by recando

Yes I was hoping for a K-5 replacement too. I still got the K10D and well I thing it´s time for a change... If there will be a replacement for the Kr we can be shure, it can´t be better than the K-5. The K-5 will be in the shops for at least a few more months. So if the new Kr would be better than the K-5there would be no use of buying a K-5. They say the K-01 has the same cmos like the K-5 but the quality is better.... I want a DSLR! nothing else! With a OVF!

Pentax currently makes a great upgrade for you - the K-5. Buy it!

arnie0674 · 02-09-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Nothing exciting for me.....

^ fixed.

Winder · 02-09-2012, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

An f1.8 isn't a fast prime? Wow, what do you want an f0.95?

For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses.

I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off.

ozlizard · 02-09-2012, 06:04 PM

It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder.

**monochrome** · 02-09-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by ozlizard

It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder.

Photokina or before.

Docrwm · 02-09-2012, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Winder

For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses.

I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off.

ROFLMAO - 1.8 isn't fast. 1.4 is NOT the standard - never was, never will be. 1.7's are often praised here as better lenses (debatable but not here ok) and they're fast. 55/1.8's were considered fast in film days. You can't make it any other way as its <2.0 and even for 50s anything <f2 has always been considered a Fast-Fifty. As for it being cheap - YEAH! The 35/2.4 gets panned by snobs but is an excellent little lens that takes terrific photos and it's CHEAP.

DeadJohn · 02-09-2012, 06:13 PM - **1 Like**

Pentax is only giving me new lenses and new corporate overlords that are clearly committed to the k-mount. I want a pony!

I am very happy with Pentax' announcements even though I am anxious to hear about the K-5 replacement. Do it correctly instead of rushing it.

Wired · 02-09-2012, 06:17 PM

I'm personally very excited. I know there were none of the announcements I was hoping for... but it shows that the company is moving forward and there are a few options for my LBA.

The DA 50mm is interesting... but I think I'll save up and get the DA* SDM 55mm instead. (faster, sharper, better, in my budget)
The 560mm is very very interesting, alas I think I will never be able to afford it and will settle with getting a x2.0 adapter for my Sigma. (I rarely need anything longer than 300 anyways)

The one thing we all wanted was the FF, but we all knew the answer before the show....

Personally, whenever a company is slated to announce a camera, I'm always looking at Canon/Nikon/Pentax to announce my dream camera... hopefully Pentax of course...specs would be something like this:
FF sensor (one from the D800 would do nicely)
Spot metering
Spot Auto Focus
switch for AF on/off
dials for Aperture, Shutter, ISO sensitivity (each on a dedicated dial)
standard menu system for WB/shutter modes/bracket modes/jpg/raw...etc
Shake reduction in cam
Video mode
100% OVF
Tilting screen with live-view on a OLED screen with a high resolution

What it wouldn't have?
Matrix modes for AF/Metering
Anti-Aliasing
Wifi/Bluetooth
huge price tag ($1500 CAD?)
touch screen
any auto modes to speak of (including priority modes)

ALL MANUAL BABY! Stripped down to the essentials.

I bet you they would sell 500 units globally

**jatrax** · 02-09-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by ozlizard

It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder.

+1 Far better to keep the pot stirred by announcing or leaking things over time rather than one big splash. Marketing is all about 'impressions' which is how many times the word 'Pentax' gets bounced off of a consumers brain. We know Pentax has great cameras, what they have not had for a long time was a marketing department (or budget) that could make any headway against the marketing giants.

I for one would be delighted to see a new rumor or announcement every month all year long. Anything to get the trade and consumer press to publish the 'P' word.

**Aristophanes** · 02-09-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Winder

For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses.

I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off.

The market need for anything faster than f/1.4 is almost non-existent, especially when one considers the price. The Canon versions is $1,400 and weighs a ton.

High ISO has obviated the need for glass so fast it makes AF work slower and produces little to no discernible DOF effect over 1.4, much of which is achieved now with PS in any case, for those that can afford a $1,400 lens!

In the good old days f/2 lenses were the norm (just look at RF lenses now in the "normal range"), with 1.7-8 being a step up. 1.4 was considerably more expensive and 1.2 was truly exotic, and really priced for pros. A 1.8 50mm is pretty much the best value for the vast majority of users.

Docrwm · 02-09-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The market need for anything after than f/1.4 is almost non-existent, especially when one considers the price. The Canon versions is $1,400 and weighs a ton.

High ISO has obviated the need for glass so fast it makes AF work slower and produces little to no discernible DOF effect over 1.4, much of which is achieved now with PS in any case, for those that can afford a $1,400 lens!

In the good old days f/2 lenses were the norm (just look at RF lenses now in the "normal range"), with 1.7-8 being a step up. 1.4 was considerably more expensive and 1.2 was truly exotic, and really priced for pros. A 1.8 50mm is pretty much the best value for the vast majority of users.

Thank you. You said it better than I did. The 50 Prime is the starter lens among Primes for most new to dSLRs. My sister's first prime was a 50 just last month. Her reasoning, its been the most common prime for ages so it must be the most useful. I got her a Nikon 50/1.8 and she's been very happy shooting away with it learning about DoF and other aspects of walking the lens instead of turning the dial

When folks look at lens selections a modern 50 is a "must have" IMHO. All the comments on the FA50 I read around used terms like "dated" or "still competitive" thereby indicating its not modern and intimating not as good as the Nikon and Canon 50/1.8s. Nonetheless, a "new" Fast-Fifty for Pentax is a huge plus IMHO.

02-09-2012, 05:17 PM	#19
recando Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Celle in Niedersachsen (Germany) Photos: Albums Posts: 27	Waiting ... Yes I was hoping for a K-5 replacement too. I still got the K10D and well I thing it´s time for a change... If there will be a replacement for the Kr we can be shure, it can´t be better than the K-5. The K-5 will be in the shops for at least a few more months. So if the new Kr would be better than the K-5there would be no use of buying a K-5. They say the K-01 has the same cmos like the K-5 but the quality is better.... I want a DSLR! nothing else! With a OVF!

02-09-2012, 06:17 PM	#27
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	I'm personally very excited. I know there were none of the announcements I was hoping for... but it shows that the company is moving forward and there are a few options for my LBA. The DA 50mm is interesting... but I think I'll save up and get the DA* SDM 55mm instead. (faster, sharper, better, in my budget) The 560mm is very very interesting, alas I think I will never be able to afford it and will settle with getting a x2.0 adapter for my Sigma. (I rarely need anything longer than 300 anyways) The one thing we all wanted was the FF, but we all knew the answer before the show.... Personally, whenever a company is slated to announce a camera, I'm always looking at Canon/Nikon/Pentax to announce my dream camera... hopefully Pentax of course...specs would be something like this: FF sensor (one from the D800 would do nicely) Spot metering Spot Auto Focus switch for AF on/off dials for Aperture, Shutter, ISO sensitivity (each on a dedicated dial) standard menu system for WB/shutter modes/bracket modes/jpg/raw...etc Shake reduction in cam Video mode 100% OVF Tilting screen with live-view on a OLED screen with a high resolution What it wouldn't have? Matrix modes for AF/Metering Anti-Aliasing Wifi/Bluetooth huge price tag ($1500 CAD?) touch screen any auto modes to speak of (including priority modes) ALL MANUAL BABY! Stripped down to the essentials. I bet you they would sell 500 units globally Last edited by Wired; 02-10-2012 at 08:24 AM. Reason: typo

02-09-2012, 06:30 PM	#29
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Winder For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses. I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off. The market need for anything faster than f/1.4 is almost non-existent, especially when one considers the price. The Canon versions is $1,400 and weighs a ton. High ISO has obviated the need for glass so fast it makes AF work slower and produces little to no discernible DOF effect over 1.4, much of which is achieved now with PS in any case, for those that can afford a $1,400 lens! In the good old days f/2 lenses were the norm (just look at RF lenses now in the "normal range"), with 1.7-8 being a step up. 1.4 was considerably more expensive and 1.2 was truly exotic, and really priced for pros. A 1.8 50mm is pretty much the best value for the vast majority of users. Last edited by Aristophanes; 02-09-2012 at 08:56 PM.

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02-09-2012, 02:10 PM - 2 Likes	#16
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Winder Nothing exciting..... A road map with no FA lenses. No fast primes. No plans to fill the gap from 77mm to 200mm. A 1.4x TC that has been under development for 5 years and is still not ready, but they will try to get one out in the next 2 years.... maybe..... If you are lucky.... I think they had a map at the Pentax booth showing people how to find the Sigma booth if they had any lens questions. I get that you don't think the K-01 is a good move but if you dislike Pentax so much why don't you just go get a Canon. You're getting boring.

02-09-2012, 02:58 PM	#17
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by gazonk Look at the bright side of it: We can continue to speculate about cool features in new DSLR bodies possibly being released soon (there was some talk about K-r replacement in spring, right? Just a couple of months away...) instead of having angst-ridden threads about possible manufacturing faults in the new bodies Yes, let the ~~mental masturbation~~ informed speculation continue apace. What else have we to do? This beats having to go out and photograph something, eh?

02-09-2012, 03:03 PM	#18
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Winder Nothing exciting..... A road map with no FA lenses. No fast primes. No plans to fill the gap from 77mm to 200mm. A 1.4x TC that has been under development for 5 years and is still not ready, but they will try to get one out in the next 2 years.... maybe..... If you are lucky.... I think they had a map at the Pentax booth showing people how to find the Sigma booth if they had any lens questions. An f1.8 isn't a fast prime? Wow, what do you want an f0.95?

02-09-2012, 05:30 PM	#20
arnie0674 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 173	Originally posted by recando Yes I was hoping for a K-5 replacement too. I still got the K10D and well I thing it´s time for a change... If there will be a replacement for the Kr we can be shure, it can´t be better than the K-5. The K-5 will be in the shops for at least a few more months. So if the new Kr would be better than the K-5there would be no use of buying a K-5. They say the K-01 has the same cmos like the K-5 but the quality is better.... I want a DSLR! nothing else! With a OVF! Pentax currently makes a great upgrade for you - the K-5. Buy it!

02-09-2012, 05:31 PM	#21
arnie0674 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 173	Originally posted by Winder Nothing exciting for me..... ^ fixed.

02-09-2012, 05:46 PM	#22
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Docrwm An f1.8 isn't a fast prime? Wow, what do you want an f0.95? For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses. I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off.

02-09-2012, 06:04 PM	#23
ozlizard Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bridgetown West Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 903	It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder.

02-09-2012, 06:07 PM	#24
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by ozlizard It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder. Photokina or before.

02-09-2012, 06:13 PM	#25
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Winder For a 50mm.... F/1.8 is actually not fast. F/1.8 is the slow cheap lens for 50mm. That is the purpose of the lens.... slower and cheaper for people who like the Canon and Nikon 50mm F/1.8 budget lenses. If this were a 135mm at F/1.8 then yes, that is fast. Nothing wrong with it and even if it was F/2 that would be fine, but it is not a fast lens for a 50mm. F/1.4 is pretty much the standard for non-macro 50mm lenses. I am hoping that Pentax brings the A 50mm f/1.2 back as a DFA* 50mm f/1.2, but that is probably just a dream. I almost bought a used on not long ago. They are very hard to find in the states, but I believe they are still available new in Japan. If I buy the Fuji XP1 I will try to find either the Olympus 50mm f/1.2 or the Pentax 50mm f/1.2. Both are excellent lenses and both are hard to find now the M4/3 has taken off. ROFLMAO - 1.8 isn't fast. 1.4 is NOT the standard - never was, never will be. 1.7's are often praised here as better lenses (debatable but not here ok) and they're fast. 55/1.8's were considered fast in film days. You can't make it any other way as its <2.0 and even for 50s anything <f2 has always been considered a Fast-Fifty. As for it being cheap - YEAH! The 35/2.4 gets panned by snobs but is an excellent little lens that takes terrific photos and it's CHEAP.

02-09-2012, 06:13 PM - 1 Like	#26
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Pentax is only giving me new lenses and new corporate overlords that are clearly committed to the k-mount. I want a pony! I am very happy with Pentax' announcements even though I am anxious to hear about the K-5 replacement. Do it correctly instead of rushing it.

02-09-2012, 06:28 PM	#28
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by ozlizard It would have been a bit silly for PRI to release a K5 replacement on top of the K-01 and steal it's thunder. +1 Far better to keep the pot stirred by announcing or leaking things over time rather than one big splash. Marketing is all about 'impressions' which is how many times the word 'Pentax' gets bounced off of a consumers brain. We know Pentax has great cameras, what they have not had for a long time was a marketing department (or budget) that could make any headway against the marketing giants. I for one would be delighted to see a new rumor or announcement every month all year long. Anything to get the trade and consumer press to publish the 'P' word.

02-09-2012, 07:18 PM	#30
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Aristophanes The market need for anything after than f/1.4 is almost non-existent, especially when one considers the price. The Canon versions is $1,400 and weighs a ton. High ISO has obviated the need for glass so fast it makes AF work slower and produces little to no discernible DOF effect over 1.4, much of which is achieved now with PS in any case, for those that can afford a $1,400 lens! In the good old days f/2 lenses were the norm (just look at RF lenses now in the "normal range"), with 1.7-8 being a step up. 1.4 was considerably more expensive and 1.2 was truly exotic, and really priced for pros. A 1.8 50mm is pretty much the best value for the vast majority of users. Thank you. You said it better than I did. The 50 Prime is the starter lens among Primes for most new to dSLRs. My sister's first prime was a 50 just last month. Her reasoning, its been the most common prime for ages so it must be the most useful. I got her a Nikon 50/1.8 and she's been very happy shooting away with it learning about DoF and other aspects of walking the lens instead of turning the dial When folks look at lens selections a modern 50 is a "must have" IMHO. All the comments on the FA50 I read around used terms like "dated" or "still competitive" thereby indicating its not modern and intimating not as good as the Nikon and Canon 50/1.8s. Nonetheless, a "new" Fast-Fifty for Pentax is a huge plus IMHO.