Pentax 560mm F5.6 to be WR - CP+ Photos of front and back

ogl · 02-13-2012, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by aguest

If the pictures in the lens database (SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database) are not a mockup I think it's safe to say that the DA 560 will be able to telescope.
.

It's not telescope lens.

**Schraubstock** · 02-13-2012, 06:01 AM

Hi

It is tempting to think it could be telescoping. On the other hand not.

To get the outer sleeve to move longitudinal in a straight fashion you would have to have some sort of rail system otherwise the outer tube would spin around aimlessly. There is no evidence of this rail since it would have to be on the outside of the tube over which it slides. In the absence of this rail system the arresting grub screw (the one with the knob) would hit a different spot at the end of the tube it moves over all the time. I don't think it would just simply be tightened over the tube without providing some sort of strike plate. In the picture of this mockup however it may have just simply been left off to confuse people. I don't know what to make of it.

Greetings

ElJamoquio · 02-13-2012, 07:14 AM

There are thumb screws for lens hoods on a lot of lenses that don't have any 'strike plate', FYI.

It is disturbing that this lens, probably not that old (but probably has seen plenty of use), already has a marred surface, though.

macTak · 02-13-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by aguest

If the pictures in the lens database (SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database) are not a mockup I think it's safe to say that the DA 560 will be able to telescope.

In the first picture we see the DA 560 with retracted lens hood and extended front section. In the second picture we see it with retracted lens hood and collapsed front section. In both pictures the lens hood is never extended unlike in the pictures posted before in this thread. You can clearly see that the second picture shows a more compacted DA 560 compared to those where just the lens hood is retracted. Also it's easy to spot that the thumb screw which secures the front section is pulled back to the lens colar.

Nice catch!

DeadJohn · 02-13-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Please be advised that those are photoshopped photos; made by one of our fellow members on this forum. IMHO, the final word is not out yet wrt it to be retractable/telescoping (although it does seem like that way).

The lens database and PF home page article have a set of 3 images showing the range of the DA 560's length. The shortest of the 3 has both the hood and part of the optics retracted. Are you sure that's a fake image?

If yes, Adam, please delete those photos because they are very misleading.

ElJamoquio · 02-13-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

The lens database and PF home page article have a set of 3 images showing the range of the DA 560's length. The shortest of the 3 has both the hood and part of the optics retracted. Are you sure that's a fake image?

If yes, Adam, please delete those photos because they are very misleading.

Didn't the text with those pictures say it was a photoshop job?

Anvh · 02-13-2012, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Didn't the text with those pictures say it was a photoshop job?

They look photoshoped but the photo here says it can be done so even if they are photoshoped they do demonstrate the function quite well.

DeadJohn · 02-13-2012, 04:57 PM

SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

The lower-right photo depicts the hood and front portion of the optics both in a retracted position. No disclaimers about the photo being imaginary.

RXrenesis8 · 02-13-2012, 05:54 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DeadJohn

SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

The lower-right photo depicts the hood and front portion of the optics both in a retracted position. No disclaimers about the photo being imaginary.

Well, I made the following image in photoshop so... Here's your disclaimer!

kenyee · 02-13-2012, 07:56 PM

Adam: did you guys ask Pentax if the new AF system in the K-next will have any f/8 AF points? Nikon/Canon seem to have added them in their latest bodies so I was wondering if Pentax did for the K-01 or K-next as well? If this lens can't focus when you put a TC on it...

infosyn · 02-13-2012, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Adam

If you look at the back of the lens, you can see the red lining around the lens cap- that's what WR lenses have! Note the same on the 90mm, which we already know will be weather sealed.

In the photo of the back end of the 560mm, almost looks like two or three sets of the typical K-mount electronic contacts, just inside the red seal. What's with that? Does that make the lens compatible with the DSLR series plus the new K-01? Is there a basic concept I'm missing here?

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/pentax-news-rumors/117503d132...k-imgp0447.jpg

**crewl1** · 02-13-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by infosyn

In the photo of the back end of the 560mm, almost looks like two or three sets of the typical K-mount electronic contacts, just inside the red seal

I thought that at first also, but they are just reflections from the rear cap flange. We cannot see the contacts, they are hidden under the cap.

rvannatta · 02-14-2012, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

I thought that at first also, but they are just reflections from the rear cap flange. We cannot see the contacts, they are hidden under the cap.

Me thinks folks are looking at the pictures way too hard. I'm just hoping that the business about "optimized for longdistance quality" isn't literally
true. that would imply that IQ was best when focused at or near infinity as that is likely a long ways off.----somewhere beyond 50 meters on my 600mm. well beyond bird range.

falconeye · 02-14-2012, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

If this lens can't focus when you put a TC on it...

The K-5 can auto focus a manual Sigma 500/4.5 with the 1.7AF TC. So, it should be able to do the same with a 560/5.6 + 1.4x TC combo.

starbase218 · 02-14-2012, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

The circled smudge on the body *might* be a mark from the knob.

It's an interesting concept but difficult to manufacture with tight tolerances needed in order to maintain optical alignment.

Thinking about this, it would seem unlikely to me that the smudge would be a mark from the knob. As you say, the lens would need to be solid enough to maintain alignment. That kind of contradicts the idea of using a knob with a contact surface of a few square millimeters to tighten it, doesn't it?

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02-13-2012, 05:08 AM	#46
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by aguest If the pictures in the lens database (SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database) are not a mockup I think it's safe to say that the DA 560 will be able to telescope. . It's not telescope lens.

02-13-2012, 06:01 AM	#47
Schraubstock Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,386	Hi It is tempting to think it could be telescoping. On the other hand not. To get the outer sleeve to move longitudinal in a straight fashion you would have to have some sort of rail system otherwise the outer tube would spin around aimlessly. There is no evidence of this rail since it would have to be on the outside of the tube over which it slides. In the absence of this rail system the arresting grub screw (the one with the knob) would hit a different spot at the end of the tube it moves over all the time. I don't think it would just simply be tightened over the tube without providing some sort of strike plate. In the picture of this mockup however it may have just simply been left off to confuse people. I don't know what to make of it. Greetings

02-13-2012, 07:14 AM	#48
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	There are thumb screws for lens hoods on a lot of lenses that don't have any 'strike plate', FYI. It is disturbing that this lens, probably not that old (but probably has seen plenty of use), already has a marred surface, though.

02-13-2012, 07:17 AM	#49
macTak Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 759	Originally posted by aguest If the pictures in the lens database (SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database) are not a mockup I think it's safe to say that the DA 560 will be able to telescope. In the first picture we see the DA 560 with retracted lens hood and extended front section. In the second picture we see it with retracted lens hood and collapsed front section. In both pictures the lens hood is never extended unlike in the pictures posted before in this thread. You can clearly see that the second picture shows a more compacted DA 560 compared to those where just the lens hood is retracted. Also it's easy to spot that the thumb screw which secures the front section is pulled back to the lens colar. Nice catch!

02-13-2012, 08:44 AM	#50
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Originally posted by Asahiflex Please be advised that those are photoshopped photos; made by one of our fellow members on this forum. IMHO, the final word is not out yet wrt it to be retractable/telescoping (although it does seem like that way). The lens database and PF home page article have a set of 3 images showing the range of the DA 560's length. The shortest of the 3 has both the hood and part of the optics retracted. Are you sure that's a fake image? If yes, Adam, please delete those photos because they are very misleading.

02-13-2012, 09:01 AM	#51
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by DeadJohn The lens database and PF home page article have a set of 3 images showing the range of the DA 560's length. The shortest of the 3 has both the hood and part of the optics retracted. Are you sure that's a fake image? If yes, Adam, please delete those photos because they are very misleading. Didn't the text with those pictures say it was a photoshop job?

02-13-2012, 09:05 AM	#52
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Didn't the text with those pictures say it was a photoshop job? They look photoshoped but the photo here says it can be done so even if they are photoshoped they do demonstrate the function quite well.

02-13-2012, 04:57 PM	#53
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database The lower-right photo depicts the hood and front portion of the optics both in a retracted position. No disclaimers about the photo being imaginary.

02-13-2012, 05:54 PM - 1 Like	#54
RXrenesis8 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Orlando, FL (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 523	Originally posted by DeadJohn SMC Pentax-DA 560mm F5.6 Reviews - DA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database The lower-right photo depicts the hood and front portion of the optics both in a retracted position. No disclaimers about the photo being imaginary. Well, I made the following image in photoshop so... Here's your disclaimer!

02-13-2012, 07:56 PM	#55
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Adam: did you guys ask Pentax if the new AF system in the K-next will have any f/8 AF points? Nikon/Canon seem to have added them in their latest bodies so I was wondering if Pentax did for the K-01 or K-next as well? If this lens can't focus when you put a TC on it...

02-13-2012, 11:13 PM	#56
infosyn Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Eugene, Oregon, US Posts: 97	Originally posted by Adam If you look at the back of the lens, you can see the red lining around the lens cap- that's what WR lenses have! Note the same on the 90mm, which we already know will be weather sealed. In the photo of the back end of the 560mm, almost looks like two or three sets of the typical K-mount electronic contacts, just inside the red seal. What's with that? Does that make the lens compatible with the DSLR series plus the new K-01? Is there a basic concept I'm missing here? https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/pentax-news-rumors/117503d132...k-imgp0447.jpg

02-13-2012, 11:16 PM	#57
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by infosyn In the photo of the back end of the 560mm, almost looks like two or three sets of the typical K-mount electronic contacts, just inside the red seal I thought that at first also, but they are just reflections from the rear cap flange. We cannot see the contacts, they are hidden under the cap.

02-14-2012, 01:56 AM	#58
rvannatta Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Apiary, Oregon Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,181	Originally posted by crewl1 I thought that at first also, but they are just reflections from the rear cap flange. We cannot see the contacts, they are hidden under the cap. Me thinks folks are looking at the pictures way too hard. I'm just hoping that the business about "optimized for longdistance quality" isn't literally true. that would imply that IQ was best when focused at or near infinity as that is likely a long ways off.----somewhere beyond 50 meters on my 600mm. well beyond bird range.

02-14-2012, 06:56 AM	#59
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by kenyee If this lens can't focus when you put a TC on it... The K-5 can auto focus a manual Sigma 500/4.5 with the 1.7AF TC. So, it should be able to do the same with a 560/5.6 + 1.4x TC combo.

02-14-2012, 07:02 AM	#60
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by DeadJohn The circled smudge on the body might be a mark from the knob. It's an interesting concept but difficult to manufacture with tight tolerances needed in order to maintain optical alignment. Thinking about this, it would seem unlikely to me that the smudge would be a mark from the knob. As you say, the lens would need to be solid enough to maintain alignment. That kind of contradicts the idea of using a knob with a contact surface of a few square millimeters to tighten it, doesn't it?