Dubai Press Conference

davemdsn · 01-10-2008, 09:30 AM

I think that having the product ready the day of the announcement would be huge news, and a great market move. Nikon and Pentax have both been guilty of not making their projected deadline for new cameras. Wouldn't it be nice to have the camera ready for purchase the day of the official announcement? Put it in the consumers hands the day you blow them away with the tech specs.

nosnoop · 01-10-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by vinzer

Well, any leaks from Dubai? Maybe some journalists might have left their blogs or whatnot unguarded?

Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful.

Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder....

Kaimarx · 01-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful.

Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder....

It will all make for good entertainment though...the only thing that will trump the gloating trolls will be Phil Askey giving the new cameras that four letter word that set so many a Pentaxians keyboard on fire

That is unless all our speculations missed the mark and Pentax do rock the dslr world...one can only hope.

Duck Dodgers · 01-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by k10dbook

Because they obviously cannot make one chip the size of a medium format in one piece that the camera can use, otherwise they would have done it. I'm not a computer scientist, but tell me why there aren't a one chip the size of a medium format camera lens circle?
Thank you for your kindness!

Actually it has more to do with the cost, waste and economics of the process. Can they do it? I'm sure they can. Is it economically feasible? Probably not. The silicon wafers are cut from long, grown crystals called boules. These are then sliced, masked, and the devices are printed onto them (this is waay simplified). If a 6-inch diameter wafer yields, say, 160 15x24mm devices (actually less), and if we assume a defect/rejection rate of 20 percent, we have a yield per wafer of approx. 128.

Now, let's make 48x36mm devices on that same 6-in. wafer. Now we can only fit 32 devices (actually less) on it. Minus that same 20 perfect rejection, and we have yield of around 25. You throw away a lot more money with each reject, now. It costs roughly the same to have created each wafer, so the larger devices will have to sell for at least five times what the APS-C size devices sells for. Couple with with the fact that you are essentially making the smaller devices at a five-times faster rate, and there is very likely not a large enough market at this time, at that price, for devices that large.

It's all a trade-off. If the outcome was guaranteed, everyone would be doing it.

solar1 · 01-10-2008, 11:53 AM

Whether true or not, is there a functioning link to this guys post with the "18 page document?" What is this posters name btw?

thanks

Originally posted by nosnoop

Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful.

Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder....

benjikan · 01-10-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Kaimarx

It will all make for good entertainment though...the only thing that will trump the gloating trolls will be Phil Askey giving the new cameras that four letter word that set so many a Pentaxians keyboard on fire

That is unless all our speculations missed the mark and Pentax do rock the dslr world...one can only hope.

You Mean the..............................................

"JUST" word?

benjikan · 01-10-2008, 01:38 PM

As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks.....

lol101 · 01-10-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by solar1

Whether true or not, is there a functioning link to this guys post with the "18 page document?" What is this posters name btw?

thanks

I think he was legit (gut feeling) but quickly got hushed away before the thread went full.

Re: APS-C it is -> CORRECT: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Enjoy

Fototim · 01-10-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks.....

Off cource there is no leaks. The camera is weather proof.

Tim

BeerCur · 01-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks.....

It was rumored one guy was about to released some information counter to his NDA, but then Ben found out and took him out back and shot him... naked. I don't think we'll be hearing from him again any time soon. It was 14MP of ugggh

deejjjaaaa · 01-10-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by BeerCur

and shot him...

did he shot him w/ a 14MP caliber PEF ? that was a good death then...

Duck Dodgers · 01-10-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by deejjjaaaa

did he shot him w/ a 14MP caliber PEF ? that was a good death then...

...it was a good day to die...

Asahiflex · 01-10-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Fototim

Off cource there is no leaks. The camera is weather proof.

It never rains in Dubai. Heck, there's even no water in the Dubai deserts

benjikan · 01-10-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by BeerCur

It was rumored one guy was about to released some information counter to his NDA, but then Ben found out and took him out back and shot him... naked. I don't think we'll be hearing from him again any time soon. It was 14MP of ugggh

No it was arrrrggggggghhhhhhh.....ayyyyyyyyyyyyy......NO Not with the Canon 1Ds Mklll....oooooooooooooooooooo....nnnnooooooooooooo.....pfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;.............................................

PaulAndAPentax · 01-10-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks.....

(Banging fists on the keyboard...) WE WANT LEAKS, WE WANT LEAKS!!!

01-10-2008, 10:17 AM	#47
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by vinzer Well, any leaks from Dubai? Maybe some journalists might have left their blogs or whatnot unguarded? Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful. Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder.... Last edited by nosnoop; 01-10-2008 at 10:28 AM.

01-10-2008, 10:47 AM	#48
Kaimarx Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Auckland Photos: Gallery Posts: 452	Originally posted by nosnoop Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful. Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder.... It will all make for good entertainment though...the only thing that will trump the gloating trolls will be Phil Askey giving the new cameras that four letter word that set so many a Pentaxians keyboard on fire That is unless all our speculations missed the mark and Pentax do rock the dslr world...one can only hope. Last edited by Kaimarx; 01-10-2008 at 11:14 AM.

01-10-2008, 11:53 AM	#50
solar1 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southern Calif Posts: 565	Link available to dpreview? Whether true or not, is there a functioning link to this guys post with the "18 page document?" What is this posters name btw? thanks Originally posted by nosnoop Well, there was this guy at dpreview and he claimed that he has a 18 page documents on K20D. But he got challenged and ridiculed before he could say anything useful. Anyways, he seemed to "imply" that the ISO would go up to 6400, and that the AF "probably" has no big change. He did not seem to know Pentax very well, so take everything with a grain of salt. Given his non-Pentax background, he certainly did not seem overly excited about K20D. Now does he really have K20D info, or are we all in a bit of a disappointment given all the hypes and excitement over the K20D? I wonder....

01-10-2008, 01:28 PM	#51
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	You Mean......??????????? Originally posted by Kaimarx It will all make for good entertainment though...the only thing that will trump the gloating trolls will be Phil Askey giving the new cameras that four letter word that set so many a Pentaxians keyboard on fire That is unless all our speculations missed the mark and Pentax do rock the dslr world...one can only hope. You Mean the.............................................. "JUST" word?

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01-10-2008, 09:30 AM	#46
davemdsn Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,413	I think that having the product ready the day of the announcement would be huge news, and a great market move. Nikon and Pentax have both been guilty of not making their projected deadline for new cameras. Wouldn't it be nice to have the camera ready for purchase the day of the official announcement? Put it in the consumers hands the day you blow them away with the tech specs.

01-10-2008, 10:50 AM	#49
Duck Dodgers Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: in the 24½th Century! Photos: Gallery Posts: 439	Originally posted by k10dbook Because they obviously cannot make one chip the size of a medium format in one piece that the camera can use, otherwise they would have done it. I'm not a computer scientist, but tell me why there aren't a one chip the size of a medium format camera lens circle? Thank you for your kindness! Actually it has more to do with the cost, waste and economics of the process. Can they do it? I'm sure they can. Is it economically feasible? Probably not. The silicon wafers are cut from long, grown crystals called boules. These are then sliced, masked, and the devices are printed onto them (this is waay simplified). If a 6-inch diameter wafer yields, say, 160 15x24mm devices (actually less), and if we assume a defect/rejection rate of 20 percent, we have a yield per wafer of approx. 128. Now, let's make 48x36mm devices on that same 6-in. wafer. Now we can only fit 32 devices (actually less) on it. Minus that same 20 perfect rejection, and we have yield of around 25. You throw away a lot more money with each reject, now. It costs roughly the same to have created each wafer, so the larger devices will have to sell for at least five times what the APS-C size devices sells for. Couple with with the fact that you are essentially making the smaller devices at a five-times faster rate, and there is very likely not a large enough market at this time, at that price, for devices that large. It's all a trade-off. If the outcome was guaranteed, everyone would be doing it.

01-10-2008, 01:38 PM	#52
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks.....

01-10-2008, 01:40 PM	#53
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by solar1 Whether true or not, is there a functioning link to this guys post with the "18 page document?" What is this posters name btw? thanks I think he was legit (gut feeling) but quickly got hushed away before the thread went full. Re: APS-C it is -> CORRECT: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Enjoy

01-10-2008, 01:45 PM	#54
Fototim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 268	Originally posted by benjikan As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks..... Off cource there is no leaks. The camera is weather proof. Tim

01-10-2008, 02:03 PM	#55
BeerCur New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: PA (OS Philly), USA Posts: 14	Originally posted by benjikan As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks..... It was rumored one guy was about to released some information counter to his NDA, but then Ben found out and took him out back and shot him... naked. I don't think we'll be hearing from him again any time soon. It was 14MP of ugggh

01-10-2008, 02:49 PM	#56
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by BeerCur and shot him... did he shot him w/ a 14MP caliber PEF ? that was a good death then...

01-10-2008, 03:18 PM	#57
Duck Dodgers Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: in the 24½th Century! Photos: Gallery Posts: 439	Originally posted by deejjjaaaa did he shot him w/ a 14MP caliber PEF ? that was a good death then... ...it was a good day to die...

01-10-2008, 03:33 PM	#58
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by Fototim Off cource there is no leaks. The camera is weather proof. It never rains in Dubai. Heck, there's even no water in the Dubai deserts

01-10-2008, 03:41 PM	#59
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by BeerCur It was rumored one guy was about to released some information counter to his NDA, but then Ben found out and took him out back and shot him... naked. I don't think we'll be hearing from him again any time soon. It was 14MP of ugggh No it was arrrrggggggghhhhhhh.....ayyyyyyyyyyyyy......NO Not with the Canon 1Ds Mklll....oooooooooooooooooooo....nnnnooooooooooooo.....pfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;.............................................

01-10-2008, 04:10 PM	#60
PaulAndAPentax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 390	Originally posted by benjikan As I said...It is now 10:38 PM in Dubai and no leaks..... (Banging fists on the keyboard...) WE WANT LEAKS, WE WANT LEAKS!!!