K-r successor: K30

audiobomber · 05-13-2012, 07:05 PM

No way they drop the K-r line.

frank · 05-13-2012, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Simen1

Today i picked up a rumor that we will see a new Pentax Camera in june - july. I was told that it would be priced 200 € below the K-5, but still have weather sealing. That sounded to me like a replacement for the long gone K200D. There was also a wage rumor about the K-5 beeing replaed in september. Unfortunatly i have no specs for eather, so your guess is as good as mine.

Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later???

sjwaldron · 05-13-2012, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by frank

Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later???

This sounds about right to me. With the pricing policy change, it seems like they want to keep the camera at a reasonable price instead of inflating it like they did with the K-5 upon release. The K30 as people call it, will hopefully be for the most part an upgraded K-5 for a nice entry price. We will have to wait and see if they take a few features away as they move it a bit closer toward entry level though.

My backup camera is having issues, so I'm looking for a replacement.

Alizarine · 05-13-2012, 08:00 PM

Its weird that the DA 50 f1.8 isn't released yet. Any chance that this... upcoming body will have it as an optional kit? (the DA35 2.4 came out as one with K-r in some markets I think)

NotSteve · 05-13-2012, 08:14 PM

Off topic, but... Japanese and Chinese use the same system of characters for numbers. Also note that written Chinese is used by more than one Chinese language. The number four is considered unlucky in Japanese and at least Cantonese and Mandarin because the sound of the word is homophonous with the word for death. Such homophones are more common in Chinese languages vs Japanese because they are tonal, whereas Japanese is not. However, the Japanese language and writing system has had strong influences from China, which is why they use the same characters for numbers and why there is some similarity in their words for these numbers.

If I had to guess, I would think mainland China would be less superstitious than Japan and that maybe this would account for the difference in avoidance of the number four.

Originally posted by boriscleto

The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky.

frank · 05-13-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by NotSteve

If I had to guess, I would think mainland China would be less superstitious than Japan and that maybe this would account for the difference in avoidance of the number four.

Yes, in China it's not common to see a building without 4th floor (I've never seen one myself, and I grew up there). But Somehow quite some tall buildings don't have 13th floor over there ...

Alizarine · 05-13-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky.

Not the character but how it's said, as Cannikin mentioned. The Japanese usually use the another word for four, "Yon"

Eberbachl · 05-13-2012, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky.

Yes, must be mostly in Japan. I know about the similarity with the sound of the number 4 and the word for death in Chinese, but have never seen a building without a 4th floor over in China.

drougge · 05-14-2012, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by NotSteve

Such homophones are more common in Chinese languages vs Japanese because they are tonal, whereas Japanese is not.

This is so on topic, but last I checked Japanese had two tones. They have rather more strict rules about where they are, so it's reasonably easy to make yourself understood without them, but they're still there.

And now back to your regularly scheduled speculation.

Turo · 05-14-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Eberbachl

Yes, must be mostly in Japan. I know about the similarity with the sound of the number 4 and the word for death in Chinese, but have never seen a building without a 4th floor over in China.

Right. I live in China in a 4th floor apartment.

As someone said before it is far more common to see buildings without 13th floor.

parsons · 05-14-2012, 09:45 AM

where did this speculation about a 4 come in? surely it will be a k-3 if it goes K-7,5,3,1... otherwise i would have guess it would go k-5,6.. but surely that makes far too much sense

i want some new news... this is getting dull

zosxavius · 05-14-2012, 09:49 AM

It sure is. This whole conversation has rapidly approached pointlessness. Its all speculation. I Guess we wait.

eddie1960 · 05-14-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by parsons

where did this speculation about a 4 come in? surely it will be a k-3 if it goes K-7,5,3,1... otherwise i would have guess it would go k-5,6.. but surely that makes far too much sense

i want some new news... this is getting dull

speculation is from the russian reps via a russian forum (and this has been speculated many times since january)

entry level apsc - K-01 in a dslr body
WR apsc KR level - likely the camera we will see at the end of this month if rumours are true
K5 replacement - 24mp
FF - loads of rumours but a 24mp sensor model is a pretty good bet

Blue · 05-14-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by frank

Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later???

It would be nice if they put the K-5 viewfinder in a weather sealed body kind of like a K200d. However, they seem to like the penta-mirror in that class. That is one of my few complaints with the K200d was the penta-mirror.

Originally posted by eddie1960

speculation is from the russian reps via a russian forum (and this has been speculated many times since january)

entry level apsc - K-01 in a dslr body
WR apsc KR level - likely the camera we will see at the end of this month if rumours are true
K5 replacement - 24mp
FF - loads of rumours but a 24mp sensor model is a pretty good bet

That is what it sounds like to me. However, if they use the 16mp sensor in both the entry and mid-level dSLR what will be the distinguishing feature besides WR? Drop the Pentamirror in the mid-level? 2 wheels?

audiobomber · 05-14-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Blue

if they use the 16mp sensor in both the entry and mid-level dSLR what will be the distinguishing feature besides WR? Drop the Pentamirror in the mid-level? 2 wheels?

Why not the same as they did in the past?

K-m had similar features to the K-r, penta-mirror, one wheel
K-200D same controls and OVF as K-m, larger body, WR
K20D and K-7 had similar feature set to K-5

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05-13-2012, 07:05 PM	#421
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	No way they drop the K-r line.

05-13-2012, 07:40 PM	#422
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by Simen1 Today i picked up a rumor that we will see a new Pentax Camera in june - july. I was told that it would be priced 200 € below the K-5, but still have weather sealing. That sounded to me like a replacement for the long gone K200D. There was also a wage rumor about the K-5 beeing replaed in september. Unfortunatly i have no specs for eather, so your guess is as good as mine. Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later???

05-13-2012, 07:51 PM	#423
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Originally posted by frank Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later??? This sounds about right to me. With the pricing policy change, it seems like they want to keep the camera at a reasonable price instead of inflating it like they did with the K-5 upon release. The K30 as people call it, will hopefully be for the most part an upgraded K-5 for a nice entry price. We will have to wait and see if they take a few features away as they move it a bit closer toward entry level though. My backup camera is having issues, so I'm looking for a replacement.

05-13-2012, 08:00 PM	#424
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Its weird that the DA 50 f1.8 isn't released yet. Any chance that this... upcoming body will have it as an optional kit? (the DA35 2.4 came out as one with K-r in some markets I think)

05-13-2012, 08:14 PM	#425
NotSteve Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Toronto Photos: Albums Posts: 200	Off topic, but... Japanese and Chinese use the same system of characters for numbers. Also note that written Chinese is used by more than one Chinese language. The number four is considered unlucky in Japanese and at least Cantonese and Mandarin because the sound of the word is homophonous with the word for death. Such homophones are more common in Chinese languages vs Japanese because they are tonal, whereas Japanese is not. However, the Japanese language and writing system has had strong influences from China, which is why they use the same characters for numbers and why there is some similarity in their words for these numbers. If I had to guess, I would think mainland China would be less superstitious than Japan and that maybe this would account for the difference in avoidance of the number four. Originally posted by boriscleto The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky.

05-13-2012, 08:34 PM	#426
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by NotSteve If I had to guess, I would think mainland China would be less superstitious than Japan and that maybe this would account for the difference in avoidance of the number four. Yes, in China it's not common to see a building without 4th floor (I've never seen one myself, and I grew up there). But Somehow quite some tall buildings don't have 13th floor over there ...

05-13-2012, 08:46 PM	#427
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by boriscleto The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky. Not the character but how it's said, as Cannikin mentioned. The Japanese usually use the another word for four, "Yon"

05-13-2012, 10:09 PM	#428
Eberbachl Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Doreen Posts: 111	Originally posted by boriscleto The 4th floor thing is mostly in Japan I believe. The Japanese character for the number 4 is the same as the character for death (Shi), therefore it is considered unlucky. Yes, must be mostly in Japan. I know about the similarity with the sound of the number 4 and the word for death in Chinese, but have never seen a building without a 4th floor over in China.

05-14-2012, 05:33 AM	#429
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by NotSteve Such homophones are more common in Chinese languages vs Japanese because they are tonal, whereas Japanese is not. This is so on topic, but last I checked Japanese had two tones. They have rather more strict rules about where they are, so it's reasonably easy to make yourself understood without them, but they're still there. And now back to your regularly scheduled speculation.

05-14-2012, 07:14 AM	#430
Turo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chengdu Posts: 31	Originally posted by Eberbachl Yes, must be mostly in Japan. I know about the similarity with the sound of the number 4 and the word for death in Chinese, but have never seen a building without a 4th floor over in China. Right. I live in China in a 4th floor apartment. As someone said before it is far more common to see buildings without 13th floor.

05-14-2012, 09:45 AM	#431
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	where did this speculation about a 4 come in? surely it will be a k-3 if it goes K-7,5,3,1... otherwise i would have guess it would go k-5,6.. but surely that makes far too much sense i want some new news... this is getting dull

05-14-2012, 09:49 AM	#432
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	It sure is. This whole conversation has rapidly approached pointlessness. Its all speculation. I Guess we wait.

05-14-2012, 09:52 AM	#433
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by parsons where did this speculation about a 4 come in? surely it will be a k-3 if it goes K-7,5,3,1... otherwise i would have guess it would go k-5,6.. but surely that makes far too much sense i want some new news... this is getting dull speculation is from the russian reps via a russian forum (and this has been speculated many times since january) entry level apsc - K-01 in a dslr body WR apsc KR level - likely the camera we will see at the end of this month if rumours are true K5 replacement - 24mp FF - loads of rumours but a 24mp sensor model is a pretty good bet

05-14-2012, 11:24 AM	#434
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by frank Hmm, I guess it'd be K30 by end of May (a K5 in Kr body w/ weather sealing and K5's viewfinder, newer and faster AF module), K5 replacement by Sept or later??? It would be nice if they put the K-5 viewfinder in a weather sealed body kind of like a K200d. However, they seem to like the penta-mirror in that class. That is one of my few complaints with the K200d was the penta-mirror. Originally posted by eddie1960 speculation is from the russian reps via a russian forum (and this has been speculated many times since january) entry level apsc - K-01 in a dslr body WR apsc KR level - likely the camera we will see at the end of this month if rumours are true K5 replacement - 24mp FF - loads of rumours but a 24mp sensor model is a pretty good bet That is what it sounds like to me. However, if they use the 16mp sensor in both the entry and mid-level dSLR what will be the distinguishing feature besides WR? Drop the Pentamirror in the mid-level? 2 wheels?

05-14-2012, 12:01 PM	#435
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by Blue if they use the 16mp sensor in both the entry and mid-level dSLR what will be the distinguishing feature besides WR? Drop the Pentamirror in the mid-level? 2 wheels? Why not the same as they did in the past? K-m had similar features to the K-r, penta-mirror, one wheel K-200D same controls and OVF as K-m, larger body, WR K20D and K-7 had similar feature set to K-5