Pentax K-z

Asahiflex · 03-21-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

If so, great, but wasn't that guy the chief engineer speaking not from actual information but from what he would do if he were making the decisions? I thought he expressly said that as a preface to the interview. At any rate, the link is somewhere on the Forum - maybe we can dig it up.

Yes, we can: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/168982-translation-kit...interview.html

zosxavius · 03-21-2012, 02:27 PM

Also a lot of people bought the k-r/k-x because they excelled at high iso. The k-5 beats the dr and iq of the k-r by a huge margin and has the cleanest high iso shots of any aps sensor. Seems like a perfect replacement to me. Here's the real question in my mind...will pentax stay with the sony sensors and go to the 24mp sensor in the nex? From what I've seen of the raw output I think it would be a downgrade in iq at higher isos. It might resolve more, but if that gets destroyed at 1600 iso what is the use? Compare the dpreview gallery sometime between the nex 7 and the k5 and k7. It has noise levels approaching the k7 at 1600 imo. With the k5 under 1000 I think its going to be a tough sell for this at the likely 700 or so they will want for it. If they made it 600 it wouldn't be so bad.

Jan67 · 03-21-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

The Germans will not be happy.

If the whole story of K-z is real, then it shows total lack of communication between HQ in Japan and Pentax Europe. Germany is ca 80 million inh.country (plus Austria and Switzerland). And that is already reason to think a little bit.

I guess, that Japanese would be at least surprised, if the new camera name would be Little Boy or Fat Man (names of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs). Although Fat Man would fit K01 quite well.

Anyway, such association doesn't show professionalism. Another reason to change marketing people.

glanglois · 03-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by bobell69

Europe makes up a significant part of the Pentax market, hopefully the camera will be marketed differently in Europe if the decision is KZ. I believe the Km was marketed differently in Europe from North America. Could be wrong on this though. A bit disappointing that this new camera is being promoted for its colour variations rather than for its features at this point. Hopefully the features will place the camera in a competitive position in the market. I would like to see weather sealing as a standard on this level of camera. Add to that the features of the K01, plus live video hdmi output the camera could be a real hit.

Yup, I have a K2000 rather than a K-m. It could be made available to the discerning purchaser .... Would help fund a K-5, methinks.

Docrwm · 03-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Jan67

If the whole story of K-z is real, then it shows total lack of communication between HQ in Japan and Pentax Europe. Germany is ca 80 million inh.country (plus Austria and Switzerland). And that is already reason to think a little bit.

I guess, that Japanese would be at least surprised, if the new camera name would be Little Boy or Fat Man (names of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs). Although Fat Man would fit K01 quite well.

Anyway, such association doesn't show professionalism. Another reason to change marketing people.

I'm all for changing the Pentax marketing people, however, we just don't know that it will be sold under that label in Germany (or anywhere) yet. They could, as has been suggested and has occurred in the past call it the M-z in Germany (or Europe) and K-z elsewhere.

Jean Poitiers · 03-21-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by JinDesu

We all know that the K-5 replacement is going to be the K-9, silly...

Nope ... " K-Y " (old joke)

pinholecam · 03-21-2012, 04:01 PM

Its disappointing to see the camera touted for color combos, but I guess it stirs interest without letting the cat out of the bag for now.

Hopefully, it means the color combinations will be avaliable outside of Japan.

I find it hard to see how its much better than a K-01 though if its going to be the same K5 16mp sensor.
Yeah, there is the mirror; PDAF; styling, but these are just not big step ups to me.
So hopefully, new sensor (even the 24mp abomination on the NEX7) and some incorporated high-end K5 features to distance it from K-01.

**monochrome** · 03-21-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

This isn't the K-5 replacement.

Penta-mirror, not mirror-prism; Probably not 100%, but K-01 fcus peaking LiveView
- K-3 will be 100% mirror-prism 1:1 magnification, or close and improved LiveView with colors
16.3 Mp CMOS sensor same as K-01, plus PRIME-M imaging engine
- K-3 will have the new sensor (24Mp?) and maybe an improved PRIME-M; maybe improved PDAF autofocus
Same K-01 video output (limitations)
- K-3 maybe HDMI monitor output

Originally posted by sjwaldron

That Impress Japan magazine interview that came out a few months ago had the guy stating that all DSLRs moving forward would have 100% viewfinders.

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Yes, we can: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/168982-translation-kit...interview.html

I stand corrected, if they implement this vision. Editing prior post.

"Moving forward at Pentax, we want to make even our entry-level SLR models offer full coverage. Without fail. ----"

**grahamcoad** · 03-21-2012, 04:12 PM

If DSLR viewfinders ever get as good as the ones on my Pentax MX and Pentax ME then I will be delighted. I have a sneaking admiration for a camera that still works if the batteries fail, which is why I still have my MX and my Leica M3, with a few rolls of film in the fridge.....

(currently alternating my K-5 between manual and AV.....works for me......)

fLyIr · 03-21-2012, 04:19 PM

K-k

Ok ok, K-z sounds like Kazakhstan (Kz), that's the only thing goes in my head when i see this name

Vylen · 03-21-2012, 04:54 PM - **1 Like**

To drive a nail in the coffin, should totally keep it named K-z in Germany, and show it off with a colour scheme consisting of red, black, and white.

Nasus · 03-21-2012, 05:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Vylen

.... show it off with a colour scheme consisting of red, black, and white.

Red body, white lens, one central 'special' cross-type focus point.
Or we could ask Borat to make some ads about best camera to make country proud.

**ismaelg** · 03-21-2012, 07:05 PM

HA!
In spanish KZ sounds something like "Kah set-ahh" which sounds just like "CASETA", which means camping tent. It should be popular among us Boy Scouts

**Clarkey** · 03-21-2012, 07:48 PM

Interesting.
Still jumping at shadows here, but possibly better viewfinder (as per above), same sensor as K-01, and simplified weather-sealing.
Possibly the same concept of the K200d to the K20d.

joe.penn · 03-21-2012, 07:56 PM

How is it that PentaxForums (yes, this site) is last to post any information about new pentax products?

03-21-2012, 03:26 PM	#33
Jan67 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 84	K-z or Fat Man ? Originally posted by Docrwm The Germans will not be happy. If the whole story of K-z is real, then it shows total lack of communication between HQ in Japan and Pentax Europe. Germany is ca 80 million inh.country (plus Austria and Switzerland). And that is already reason to think a little bit. I guess, that Japanese would be at least surprised, if the new camera name would be Little Boy or Fat Man (names of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs). Although Fat Man would fit K01 quite well. Anyway, such association doesn't show professionalism. Another reason to change marketing people.

03-21-2012, 03:34 PM	#36
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	Slippery subject ... Originally posted by JinDesu We all know that the K-5 replacement is going to be the K-9, silly... Nope ... " K-Y " (old joke)

03-21-2012, 04:10 PM	#38
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by monochrome This isn't the K-5 replacement. Penta-mirror, not mirror-prism; Probably not 100%, but K-01 fcus peaking LiveView K-3 will be 100% mirror-prism 1:1 magnification, or close and improved LiveView with colors 16.3 Mp CMOS sensor same as K-01, plus PRIME-M imaging engine K-3 will have the new sensor (24Mp?) and maybe an improved PRIME-M; maybe improved PDAF autofocus Same K-01 video output (limitations) K-3 maybe HDMI monitor output Originally posted by sjwaldron That Impress Japan magazine interview that came out a few months ago had the guy stating that all DSLRs moving forward would have 100% viewfinders. Originally posted by Asahiflex Yes, we can: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/168982-translation-kit...interview.html I stand corrected, if they implement this vision. Editing prior post. "Moving forward at Pentax, we want to make even our entry-level SLR models offer full coverage. Without fail. ----"

03-21-2012, 01:59 PM	#31
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by monochrome If so, great, but wasn't that guy the chief engineer speaking not from actual information but from what he would do if he were making the decisions? I thought he expressly said that as a preface to the interview. At any rate, the link is somewhere on the Forum - maybe we can dig it up. Yes, we can: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/168982-translation-kit...interview.html

03-21-2012, 02:27 PM	#32
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	Also a lot of people bought the k-r/k-x because they excelled at high iso. The k-5 beats the dr and iq of the k-r by a huge margin and has the cleanest high iso shots of any aps sensor. Seems like a perfect replacement to me. Here's the real question in my mind...will pentax stay with the sony sensors and go to the 24mp sensor in the nex? From what I've seen of the raw output I think it would be a downgrade in iq at higher isos. It might resolve more, but if that gets destroyed at 1600 iso what is the use? Compare the dpreview gallery sometime between the nex 7 and the k5 and k7. It has noise levels approaching the k7 at 1600 imo. With the k5 under 1000 I think its going to be a tough sell for this at the likely 700 or so they will want for it. If they made it 600 it wouldn't be so bad.

03-21-2012, 03:30 PM	#34
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by bobell69 Europe makes up a significant part of the Pentax market, hopefully the camera will be marketed differently in Europe if the decision is KZ. I believe the Km was marketed differently in Europe from North America. Could be wrong on this though. A bit disappointing that this new camera is being promoted for its colour variations rather than for its features at this point. Hopefully the features will place the camera in a competitive position in the market. I would like to see weather sealing as a standard on this level of camera. Add to that the features of the K01, plus live video hdmi output the camera could be a real hit. Yup, I have a K2000 rather than a K-m. It could be made available to the discerning purchaser .... Would help fund a K-5, methinks.

03-21-2012, 03:30 PM	#35
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Jan67 If the whole story of K-z is real, then it shows total lack of communication between HQ in Japan and Pentax Europe. Germany is ca 80 million inh.country (plus Austria and Switzerland). And that is already reason to think a little bit. I guess, that Japanese would be at least surprised, if the new camera name would be Little Boy or Fat Man (names of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs). Although Fat Man would fit K01 quite well. Anyway, such association doesn't show professionalism. Another reason to change marketing people. I'm all for changing the Pentax marketing people, however, we just don't know that it will be sold under that label in Germany (or anywhere) yet. They could, as has been suggested and has occurred in the past call it the M-z in Germany (or Europe) and K-z elsewhere.

03-21-2012, 04:01 PM	#37
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Its disappointing to see the camera touted for color combos, but I guess it stirs interest without letting the cat out of the bag for now. Hopefully, it means the color combinations will be avaliable outside of Japan. I find it hard to see how its much better than a K-01 though if its going to be the same K5 16mp sensor. Yeah, there is the mirror; PDAF; styling, but these are just not big step ups to me. So hopefully, new sensor (even the 24mp abomination on the NEX7) and some incorporated high-end K5 features to distance it from K-01.

03-21-2012, 04:12 PM	#39
grahamcoad Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: West Cornwall Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 128	If DSLR viewfinders ever get as good as the ones on my Pentax MX and Pentax ME then I will be delighted. I have a sneaking admiration for a camera that still works if the batteries fail, which is why I still have my MX and my Leica M3, with a few rolls of film in the fridge..... (currently alternating my K-5 between manual and AV.....works for me......)

03-21-2012, 04:19 PM	#40
fLyIr New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Almaty Photos: Gallery Posts: 20	K-k Ok ok, K-z sounds like Kazakhstan (Kz), that's the only thing goes in my head when i see this name

03-21-2012, 04:54 PM - 1 Like	#41
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	To drive a nail in the coffin, should totally keep it named K-z in Germany, and show it off with a colour scheme consisting of red, black, and white.

03-21-2012, 05:44 PM - 1 Like	#42
Nasus Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 33	Originally posted by Vylen .... show it off with a colour scheme consisting of red, black, and white. Red body, white lens, one central 'special' cross-type focus point. Or we could ask Borat to make some ads about best camera to make country proud.

03-21-2012, 07:05 PM	#43
ismaelg Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,681	HA! In spanish KZ sounds something like "Kah set-ahh" which sounds just like "CASETA", which means camping tent. It should be popular among us Boy Scouts

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03-21-2012, 07:48 PM	#44
Clarkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,456	Interesting. Still jumping at shadows here, but possibly better viewfinder (as per above), same sensor as K-01, and simplified weather-sealing. Possibly the same concept of the K200d to the K20d.

03-21-2012, 07:56 PM	#45
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	How is it that PentaxForums (yes, this site) is last to post any information about new pentax products?