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05-25-2012, 10:38 PM   #646
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Having and maintaining a track record (history) of honesty and decency to their employees, customers, stockholders, etc for starters...
Those are fine and desireable qualities for a company to promote in its culture but they aren't success. Stokholders may even require them of managers (easier when it is a private company). At day's end, though, stockholders own the company and stockholders demand a profit.

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Target seems to sell out most Pentax items...or were they never in stock ....????
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Well, it's been a few months since Pentax raised their lens prices in the US.

I sincerely hope B&H and Adorama have a large stock of Pentax lenses that are just sitting on the shelf collecting dust. Stock that doesn't move, is a money loser.

Perhaps a large stock of lenses that are not selling, will convince Pentax that their strategy is not working. $1499 for the 16-50mm f/2.8, $1399 for the 300mm f/4, etc are stupid prices, and I can only see Pentax losing market share because of this. And selling even less gear than they were selling.

60-250mm f/4 lenses sit on the forums "for sale" section, used, for $1600 or less, and they don't seem to be selling. I just can't see anyone spending $2K for this lens new, when that same $2K will (almost) buy you one of those superb Nikon or Canon f/2.8 full frame zooms.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
Having and maintaining a track record (history) of honesty and decency to their employees, customers, stockholders, etc for starters...
Pentax would be the first then. Almost all business beyond some very small ones they seem to devote themselves exclusively to short term return for the shareholder. everything else is just a means of attaining that goal. It's incredibly short sighted and stupid but it's the reality that has been building since the early eighties

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QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
Pentax would be the first then. Almost all business beyond some very small ones they seem to devote themselves exclusively to short term return for the shareholder. everything else is just a means of attaining that goal. It's incredibly short sighted and stupid but it's the reality that has been building since the early eighties
Until stockholders demand these values they won't be a priority. Don't forget, "stockholders" is us, through our 401k's, mutual funds and pensions. Stockholders isn't some rich guys somewhere else. Private investors directly own only 3% of shares outstanding.

Until we tell our intermediaries we want honesty they won't ask for it - but my clients never ask me how much honesty we earned this year. They only ask how much money we earned this year.
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QuoteOriginally posted by leadfoot Quote
Perhaps a large stock of lenses that are not selling, will convince Pentax that their strategy is not working. $1499 for the 16-50mm f/2.8, $1399 for the 300mm f/4, etc are stupid prices, and I can only see Pentax losing market share because of this. And selling even less gear than they were selling.
Go in British Columbia, they sell them for $969 for the 16-50mm f2.8
Pentax DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL IF SDM - Canada and Cross-Border Price Comparison - photoprice.ca
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999 in several different shops in Toronto, but this would be the best to deal with

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Aden is the best deal at $919
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I mention to Leadfoot to go to BC because is in Oregon

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Aden is the best deal at $919
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I mention to Leadfoot to go to BC because is in Oregon
Aden doesn't have stock though, and they have the crappiest service (I was in the store the other day, they had several FA43, 2 DA35 2.0 and a few sigma for Pentax
Kid serving had no interest in what i wanted (I asked when they expected the DA50 1.8 as i wanted both the 35 and the 50 by July - he didn't know it existed and couldn't be bothered to ask anyone else working.

I can go into Downtown camera (a couple of block away) and they will match Aden camera and the service is light years better. there are several Pentax fans in that shop
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B&H has dropped prices below the UPP level again. What a shambles.
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How do we know what the minimum price under the UPP "contract" is?
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A reasonable (IMO) guess:
1. wait for things to settle
2. look at BH's prices
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I would argue that if Amazon and Adorama have different prices than BH for over, say, a week, something's amiss - the UPP is being 'violated' (of course a UPP isn't a contract, so it can't be violated).
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I suppose b&h could just be liquidating its pentax stock for what it will sell for. No sense keeping boxes on a shelf. That may mean they don't plan to get more stock from pentax.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenafein Quote
That may mean they don't plan to get more stock from pentax.
IIRC Adorama and Amazon were late implementing the initial UPP changes, too.

Adam has posted that the price changes seem to be worldwide.
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