Lens prices and our channel strategy in the U.S. - Ned Responses

Philoslothical · 04-18-2012, 04:49 PM - **1 Like**

Says the guy who was just complaining about ad hominems.

benhai · 04-18-2012, 04:55 PM

I just sold all my pentax gears several weeks ago. I still like pentax but when look at what NC did for you in .jpg output I decide to a switch. NC understands general audience's need and optimize your .jpg output. They know what do you want for skin tone. They know what they need to sacrifice and only focus the dynamic range you are most interested in. They use the dynamic range wisely. So in general I only need to do a little bit of adjustments in .jpg. With Pentax I have to get the lightroom just to do what NC had already done. I pulled myself out and now I can enjoy making pictures not sucking in with raw files and lightroom. To me that's a prison.

As to the price! I don't feel pentax lenses are cheap. Their price is already matched with NC prosumer lenses. There is not many pentax equivalents to NC professional level zooms. If the professional level lenses are not important to you then the selection of consumer grade lenses are the keys. The lens selections are much more no matter generic brand or name brands. The most unique feature of pentax lenses are the limited line of primes. But how many of us can afford that? I was only able to try the cheapest DAL 40mm 2.8 pancake. That's a nice lens but limited by the K-7 sensor. My heart was broken at that time. Gosh I have to upgrade to a new camera!

I don't believe a price hike will help pentax to become a big leader in the industry. You have to be good then we agree you to pay a premium after that. I won't pay in advance. Just like TOYOTA established the reputation and then people are willing to pay premium for a Lexus.

You get reward after you did the hard work not when you want to be good.
^_^

**Ex Finn.** · 04-18-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Yeah, and when the world wants help who do they turn to?

To the sucker that is willing to try and save it

.

ElJamoquio · 04-18-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Quicksand

But never the other way around, because avocados require a shorter register distance and you won't be able to focus it to infinity.

Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole.

riff · 04-18-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Yeah, and when the world wants help who do they turn to? Are they speaking German across Europe now? Hmmm. Funny man, love the and other added value icons.

Let's see, who sat on the fence selling to the Nazis for years? Oh that's right it was the USA. Florence Nightingale and Mother Theresa all rolled up into the USA.

Bonus values added icons

Docrwm · 04-18-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Ex Finn.

To the sucker that is willing to try and save it

.

Yes, naive of us.

ElJamoquio · 04-18-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by riff

Let's see, who sat on the fence selling to the Nazis for years? Oh that's right it was the USA. Florence Nightingale and Mother Theresa all rolled up into the USA.

Bonus values added icons

Don't worry, FDR was depth-charging Nazi subs at the same time. Things were simpler back then.

**luftfluss** · 04-18-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole.

First they add video, then in-camera guac... I just want my camera to take pictures.

parsons · 04-18-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Breaking point. You've been such an utter bastard that I retaliated, not proud of it but there it is.

Calm down guys....
I have to admit that all of that went over my head-but that's besides the point. There's no point in gettin agitated over forum posts.

Philoslothical · 04-18-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Breaking point. You've been such an utter bastard that I retaliated, not proud of it but there it is.

On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up.

parsons · 04-18-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole.

Is that the new term for extra creamy bokeh? (normally in the green variety)

parsons · 04-18-2012, 05:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Philoslothical

On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up.

In case you hadn't noticed, there are people having a proper discussion here, and that would be a shame to stop. The obvious policy to employ is remove the selfish people spoiling everyone else's fun.

If I were a moderator I would have already banned you from this thread.

Unfortunately I don't think there are any patrolling around right now.

Docrwm · 04-18-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Don't worry, FDR was depth-charging Nazi subs at the same time. Things were simpler back then.

It's always interesting to see what people come up with. Lend-Lease preceded our official military involvement despite a plurality of Americans being against getting involved AGAIN in a European squabble, then there was our Navy patrolling our waters out to the 3 mile limit (three miles from England that is). But then its convenient to forget WWI as well I guess.

**boriscleto** · 04-18-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Philoslothical

On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up.

As they would say on 4chan "404 this thread now"

riff · 04-18-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Better write that in French and English......
It's been real eye opening what complete bastards many of our non-US "friends" here on the Pentax forum are in actual fact. Sad, but eye opening.

Are you taking your meds?

I assume this is directed (at least in part) to me. Lets review.

Originally posted by riff:

1. Wow we agree on something.
2. The thing is Canada and Canadians are largely highly regarded by the world.
3. Canadians, you know the people Americans pretend to be when traveling abroad.
4. Probably it's what goes around comes around.

The first line is to Blue and nunnayerbiz.
Line two is a statement of fact few will dispute.
Line three is also true
Line four my explanation of why some may enjoy seeing Americans get a price increase.

And for this I am a BASTARD. Thanks for proving my points.

04-18-2012, 04:56 PM	#153
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	Originally posted by Docrwm Yeah, and when the world wants help who do they turn to? To the sucker that is willing to try and save it.

04-18-2012, 04:59 PM	#156
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Ex Finn. To the sucker that is willing to try and save it. Yes, naive of us.

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04-18-2012, 04:49 PM - 1 Like	#151
Philoslothical Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,889	Says the guy who was just complaining about ad hominems.

04-18-2012, 04:55 PM	#152
benhai Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Photos: Albums Posts: 248	I just sold all my pentax gears several weeks ago. I still like pentax but when look at what NC did for you in .jpg output I decide to a switch. NC understands general audience's need and optimize your .jpg output. They know what do you want for skin tone. They know what they need to sacrifice and only focus the dynamic range you are most interested in. They use the dynamic range wisely. So in general I only need to do a little bit of adjustments in .jpg. With Pentax I have to get the lightroom just to do what NC had already done. I pulled myself out and now I can enjoy making pictures not sucking in with raw files and lightroom. To me that's a prison. As to the price! I don't feel pentax lenses are cheap. Their price is already matched with NC prosumer lenses. There is not many pentax equivalents to NC professional level zooms. If the professional level lenses are not important to you then the selection of consumer grade lenses are the keys. The lens selections are much more no matter generic brand or name brands. The most unique feature of pentax lenses are the limited line of primes. But how many of us can afford that? I was only able to try the cheapest DAL 40mm 2.8 pancake. That's a nice lens but limited by the K-7 sensor. My heart was broken at that time. Gosh I have to upgrade to a new camera! I don't believe a price hike will help pentax to become a big leader in the industry. You have to be good then we agree you to pay a premium after that. I won't pay in advance. Just like TOYOTA established the reputation and then people are willing to pay premium for a Lexus. You get reward after you did the hard work not when you want to be good. ^_^

04-18-2012, 04:57 PM	#154
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Quicksand But never the other way around, because avocados require a shorter register distance and you won't be able to focus it to infinity. Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole.

04-18-2012, 04:58 PM	#155
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by Docrwm Yeah, and when the world wants help who do they turn to? Are they speaking German across Europe now? Hmmm. Funny man, love the and other added value icons. Let's see, who sat on the fence selling to the Nazis for years? Oh that's right it was the USA. Florence Nightingale and Mother Theresa all rolled up into the USA. Bonus values added icons

04-18-2012, 05:00 PM	#157
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by riff Let's see, who sat on the fence selling to the Nazis for years? Oh that's right it was the USA. Florence Nightingale and Mother Theresa all rolled up into the USA. Bonus values added icons Don't worry, FDR was depth-charging Nazi subs at the same time. Things were simpler back then.

04-18-2012, 05:01 PM	#158
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,627	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole. First they add video, then in-camera guac... I just want my camera to take pictures.

04-18-2012, 05:01 PM	#159
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by Docrwm Breaking point. You've been such an utter bastard that I retaliated, not proud of it but there it is. Calm down guys.... I have to admit that all of that went over my head-but that's besides the point. There's no point in gettin agitated over forum posts.

04-18-2012, 05:03 PM	#160
Philoslothical Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,889	Originally posted by Docrwm Breaking point. You've been such an utter bastard that I retaliated, not proud of it but there it is. On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up.

04-18-2012, 05:04 PM	#161
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Unless you're trying to make in-camera guacamole. Is that the new term for extra creamy bokeh? (normally in the green variety)

04-18-2012, 05:08 PM - 1 Like	#162
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by Philoslothical On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up. In case you hadn't noticed, there are people having a proper discussion here, and that would be a shame to stop. The obvious policy to employ is remove the selfish people spoiling everyone else's fun. If I were a moderator I would have already banned you from this thread. Unfortunately I don't think there are any patrolling around right now.

04-18-2012, 05:10 PM	#163
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Don't worry, FDR was depth-charging Nazi subs at the same time. Things were simpler back then. It's always interesting to see what people come up with. Lend-Lease preceded our official military involvement despite a plurality of Americans being against getting involved AGAIN in a European squabble, then there was our Navy patrolling our waters out to the 3 mile limit (three miles from England that is). But then its convenient to forget WWI as well I guess.

04-18-2012, 05:10 PM	#164
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Originally posted by Philoslothical On the upside, maybe this thread will get locked if the political crap keeps up. As they would say on 4chan "404 this thread now"

04-18-2012, 05:11 PM	#165
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by Docrwm Better write that in French and English...... It's been real eye opening what complete bastards many of our non-US "friends" here on the Pentax forum are in actual fact. Sad, but eye opening. Are you taking your meds? I assume this is directed (at least in part) to me. Lets review. Originally posted by riff: 1. Wow we agree on something. 2. The thing is Canada and Canadians are largely highly regarded by the world. 3. Canadians, you know the people Americans pretend to be when traveling abroad. 4. Probably it's what goes around comes around. The first line is to Blue and nunnayerbiz. Line two is a statement of fact few will dispute. Line three is also true Line four my explanation of why some may enjoy seeing Americans get a price increase. And for this I am a BASTARD. Thanks for proving my points.