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04-22-2012, 08:42 AM   #181
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QuoteOriginally posted by rvannatta Quote
why not full remote control --- so all functions can be operated via an APP on a remote computer or cell phone.
that will be great too!

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What if it's going to be mirror-less FF?
Why give up on a beautiful large bright pentaprism?
I don't enjoy MFing my FF MF lens with LV.
I guess i could live with it with the FA limiteds.... but i'd be dissapointed.
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With the MP count of the D800 vs. the 645D's, is the IQ really that close? One is a 36x24 sensor the other is 44x33
Look at one of my samples with the D800E I posted in the 36MP club. I can't see any difference in quality wrt my 645D samples.

A problem I can see is the MF crop the 645D uses: only 44mm width vs. 36mm. That's just 1.22x more and the widest 645 lens (25mm) is a 21mm equivalent lens (20mm using the diagonal) which even if from Zeiss are affordable for 35mm.

IMHO, the announcement of the 645 25mm lens price has moved the 645D off radar for many.

The legendary Zeiss Distagon T* 21mm f/2.8 ZF is almost only 1/3 price of the Pentax which is a 20mm F3.1 equivalent with the 645D crop.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Look at one of my samples with the D800E I posted in the 36MP club. I can't see any difference in quality wrt my 645D samples.
Good. I can hope in a couple of years to have the same quality on APS-C.

Or, better yet, on Q.

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old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass.
I think this is nonsense. I don't mean this to be impolite I just can think of an alternate phrasing.
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I think this is nonsense. I don't mean this to be impolite I just can think of an alternate phrasing.
I wouldn't buy into a Pentax fullframe system if they would not produce any current lenses and instead expect me to only buy old glass. It wouldn't give me the confidence that they are serious about it.

Also, I'm mostly an autofocus shooter. So that rules out any old MF-only glass for me. Besides, current DSLR viewfinders aren't made with MF in mind anyway, and replacing the focusing screen throws of spot metering. Been there, done that. But that's me.
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Give me Pentax FF any day, I'm Pentax FF ready with my FA limiteds trio

New 21 and 135-ish Limiteds would be very welcome though.

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I wouldn't buy into a Pentax fullframe system if they would not produce any current lenses and instead expect me to only buy old glass. It wouldn't give me the confidence that they are serious about it.
Right now, pentax produces 8 lenses which they have described as full frame. Between the 35mm f/2.4 and the 200mm f/2.8, I think that number would be 10 if Pentax introduced a FF. And I also believe that the 560mm f/5.6 will certainly be FF, the 24-75mm will almost certainly be full frame, and the new 12-24 might be full frame.

So by the end of 2013 I think we're looking at 12-13 full frame lenses.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-current...ml#post1921631

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Right now, pentax produces 8 lenses which they have described as full frame. Between the 35mm f/2.4 and the 200mm f/2.8, I think that number would be 10 if Pentax introduced a FF. And I also believe that the 560mm f/5.6 will certainly be FF, the 24-75mm will almost certainly be full frame, and the new 12-24 might be full frame.

So by the end of 2013 I think we're looking at 12-13 full frame lenses.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-current...ml#post1921631
Which 8 lenses are that? I only count a few; 50mm macro, 100mm macro, 50/1.4 prime and there may be one or two more I forgot about. The 35/2.4 is a DA lens and so is the 560mm (preliminary). DA lenses do not necessarily support fullframe sensors, and (to my knowledge) are not marketed as fullframe-capable; the 35mm is described as a standard prime, not as a wide-angle prime. And even if the image circle would cover the sensor area, I would be concerned with corner sharpness. That already degrades on APS-C on most of the current lenses. On fullframe it would be much, much worse.
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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
Which 8 lenses are that? I only count a few; 50mm macro, 100mm macro, 50/1.4 prime and there may be one or two more I forgot about. The 35/2.4 is a DA lens and so is the 560mm (preliminary). DA lenses do not necessarily support fullframe sensors, and (to my knowledge) are not marketed as fullframe-capable; the 35mm is described as a standard prime, not as a wide-angle prime. And even if the image circle would cover the sensor area, I would be concerned with corner sharpness. That already degrades on APS-C on most of the current lenses. On fullframe it would be much, much worse.
Just off the top of my head, IIRC :

FA31ltd
FA43ltd
FA77ltd

FA35/2
DA35/2.4 (already proven on film by Frank and others)
DA40XS (and by extension DA40ltd) (already proven on film by Frank and others)
FA50/1.4
DA50/2.8 macro
DA100/2.8 macro
DA*200/2.8
DA*300/2.8

Short of a wide angle and UWA, the lenses are already avaliable for FF on either expensive (ie. FA ltds) or cheap (non ltds) budget options.
Of course this is a 'lenses avaliable NOW' list and not a 'optically excellent for digital FF' list, which some folks will begin to nit-pick over.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pinholecam Quote
Just off the top of my head, IIRC :

FA31ltd
FA43ltd
FA77ltd

FA35/2
DA35/2.4 (already proven on film by Frank and others)
DA40XS (and by extension DA40ltd) (already proven on film by Frank and others)
FA50/1.4
DA50/2.8 macro
DA100/2.8 macro
DA*200/2.8
DA*300/2.8

Short of a wide angle and UWA, the lenses are already avaliable for FF on either expensive (ie. FA ltds) or cheap (non ltds) budget options.
Of course this is a 'lenses avaliable NOW' list and not a 'optically excellent for digital FF' list, which some folks will begin to nit-pick over.
I did not know that both DA* 200/2.8 and 300/2.8 are FF. I thought that all DAs including DA* are optimized for APS-C only. What about DA*60-250/4 and DA35/2.8 Ltd.?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Greyser Quote
I did not know that both DA* 200/2.8 and 300/2.8 are FF. I thought that all DAs including DA* are optimized for APS-C only. What about DA*60-250/4 and DA35/2.8 Ltd.?

This is a nice thread on this.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens...ts-thread.html
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Look at one of my samples with the D800E I posted in the 36MP club. I can't see any difference in quality wrt my 645D samples.
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I see. Give us the comparision.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Look at one of my samples with the D800E I posted in the 36MP club. I can't see any difference in quality wrt my 645D samples.

A problem I can see is the MF crop the 645D uses: only 44mm width vs. 36mm. That's just 1.22x more and the widest 645 lens (25mm) is a 21mm equivalent lens (20mm using the diagonal) which even if from Zeiss are affordable for 35mm.

IMHO, the announcement of the 645 25mm lens price has moved the 645D off radar for many.

The legendary Zeiss Distagon T* 21mm f/2.8 ZF is almost only 1/3 price of the Pentax which is a 20mm F3.1 equivalent with the 645D crop.
Thanks for that info, and I hope it's not much of a bother since I don't have the pleasure of time right now to google a lot, please provide even just 1 link. Thanks in advance! I've seen samples of the D800 vs. 645D but somehow the ones I've seen aren't "same photo of same subject in same conditions" controlled environment types...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Edvinas Quote
Give me Pentax FF any day, I'm Pentax FF ready with my FA limiteds trio

New 21 and 135-ish Limiteds would be very welcome though.
Me too!
Yes, 21 and 135, in that order!
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