Pentax working on second generation 645D

slackercruster · 07-21-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by civiletti

Next generation 645D must support live view. It must also have considerable IQ advantage over the D800 or almost no one will pay the premium for medium format.

It already does. 645D sensor is much larger than D800.

D800 would have to be 70 mp to best a 645D. And even then it would only matter to pixel peepers

slackercruster · 07-21-2012, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Cambo

if they WEREN'T working on a 645D successor? Camera companies are either in continuous development, or are dying.

I think they need to start selling the one they've got.

Too rich for my blood, though...I'm saving up for a Q!

Cheers,
Cameron

Beautiful little thing. Almost bot one.

But went for a Oly EPM-1

slackercruster · 07-21-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by ogl

The technology of sensor production is rather high now. Even 48*36 mm sensor with any new techology with 60-80 MP razes D800E to the ground.
I've compared RAW files of D800E and 645D from imaging-resours myself. 645D is still better in terms of resolution and details. But the difference is rather low.
Anyway,
I think that Pentax will produce new 645DII with higher MP and old 645D will stay as unexpensive MF digital camera with lower price than now.

OK by me. 40 mp is more than enuf. Load times are long enuf @40. Maybe the old 645D might drop to $7999 with a 2nd gen 645 and I will buy a 2nd bod?

**monochrome** · 07-21-2012, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I tell you - this year it's 60 years ago since Asahi made the first Japanese 35mm SLR. Under Ricoh's wings they'll celebrate that important fact

Sometime between now and May, 2013 ("in honor of" the 60th anniversary . . . ).

ogl · 07-21-2012, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Smolk

How can the old version stay when the sensor is not available any longer?
(Much as I hope it is true, would be good for me)

It seems - available
KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Full Frame CCD
Full Frame CCD

Alizarine · 07-22-2012, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Sometime between now and May, 2013 ("in honor of" the 60th anniversary . . . ).

Something like this?

(image from KMP)

Asahiflex · 07-23-2012, 01:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Please bring back the Takumar name for the top-of-the-line lenses

fikkser · 07-23-2012, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Please bring back the Takumar name for the top-of-the-line lenses

YEAH! I'd get them all.

Clavius · 07-23-2012, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

Something like this?

(image from KMP)

That looks awesome!!!

froeschle · 07-23-2012, 04:58 AM

Quote:

How can the old version stay when the sensor is not available any longer?

I have reawakened this thread as these old rumors seemed to be incorrect: The KAF-40000 (645 1.3x) and the KAF-50100 (645 1.1x) still are available.
As even the new lenses cover the full Pentax-645-format, not only an increase in the number of megapixels but also in sensor size could be possible.

Smolk · 07-23-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It seems - available
KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Full Frame CCD
Full Frame CCD

Ah, good. Has the price come down compared to 2010?

froeschle · 09-18-2012, 03:32 AM

According to German fotoMAGAZIN, the Leica S still uses the sensor of the S2:

Quote:

[...] Herzstück ist nach wie vor der von Kodak gefertigte CCD-Sensor mit einer Auflösung von 37,5 Megapixeln. [...]

Mistral75 · 09-19-2012, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by froeschle

According to German fotoMAGAZIN, the Leica S still uses the sensor of the S2:

Yes it does, and the new Hasselblad H5D series use the same sensors as the H4D series; there isn't any new sensor/back announced with the new Mamiya Leaf 645DF+ either.

froeschle · 09-19-2012, 05:06 AM

So, the KAF-50100 still could be a possible option for the 645DII - apart from the KAF-40000 used in the 645D.

Medium FormatPro · 09-19-2012, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Yes it does, and the new Hasselblad H5D series use the same sensors as the H4D series; there isn't any new sensor/back announced with the new Mamiya Leaf 645DF+ either.

As far as I'm aware this is not yet announced at the show, but... I assure you that there are three new Hasselblad backs in the works. One will most likely be in the 75m to 80m range - which is quite close to the Mamiya Credo 80 back. Another newer version of the 50ms back but in higher mp. And of all things - a new film back.

Mamiya also has plans in the 11-13 month range for new backs as well

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07-21-2012, 07:07 PM	#121
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302	Originally posted by civiletti Next generation 645D must support live view. It must also have considerable IQ advantage over the D800 or almost no one will pay the premium for medium format. It already does. 645D sensor is much larger than D800. D800 would have to be 70 mp to best a 645D. And even then it would only matter to pixel peepers

07-21-2012, 07:13 PM	#122
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302	Originally posted by Cambo if they WEREN'T working on a 645D successor? Camera companies are either in continuous development, or are dying. I think they need to start selling the one they've got. Too rich for my blood, though...I'm saving up for a Q! Cheers, Cameron Beautiful little thing. Almost bot one. But went for a Oly EPM-1

07-21-2012, 07:21 PM	#123
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302	Originally posted by ogl The technology of sensor production is rather high now. Even 48*36 mm sensor with any new techology with 60-80 MP razes D800E to the ground. I've compared RAW files of D800E and 645D from imaging-resours myself. 645D is still better in terms of resolution and details. But the difference is rather low. Anyway, I think that Pentax will produce new 645DII with higher MP and old 645D will stay as unexpensive MF digital camera with lower price than now. OK by me. 40 mp is more than enuf. Load times are long enuf @40. Maybe the old 645D might drop to $7999 with a 2nd gen 645 and I will buy a 2nd bod?

07-21-2012, 07:28 PM	#124
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Asahiflex I tell you - this year it's 60 years ago since Asahi made the first Japanese 35mm SLR. Under Ricoh's wings they'll celebrate that important fact Sometime between now and May, 2013 ("in honor of" the 60th anniversary . . . ).

07-21-2012, 08:55 PM	#125
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Smolk How can the old version stay when the sensor is not available any longer? (Much as I hope it is true, would be good for me) It seems - available KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Full Frame CCD Full Frame CCD

07-22-2012, 02:30 AM	#126
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by monochrome Sometime between now and May, 2013 ("in honor of" the 60th anniversary . . . ). Something like this? (image from KMP)

07-23-2012, 01:04 AM - 2 Likes	#127
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Please bring back the Takumar name for the top-of-the-line lenses

07-23-2012, 02:22 AM	#128
fikkser Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Borlänge, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by Asahiflex Please bring back the Takumar name for the top-of-the-line lenses YEAH! I'd get them all.

07-23-2012, 02:38 AM	#129
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Alizarine Something like this? (image from KMP) That looks awesome!!!

07-23-2012, 04:58 AM	#130
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Quote: How can the old version stay when the sensor is not available any longer? I have reawakened this thread as these old rumors seemed to be incorrect: The KAF-40000 (645 1.3x) and the KAF-50100 (645 1.1x) still are available. As even the new lenses cover the full Pentax-645-format, not only an increase in the number of megapixels but also in sensor size could be possible.

07-23-2012, 09:03 AM	#131
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by ogl It seems - available KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Full Frame CCD Full Frame CCD Ah, good. Has the price come down compared to 2010?

09-18-2012, 03:32 AM	#132
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	According to German fotoMAGAZIN, the Leica S still uses the sensor of the S2: Quote: [...] Herzstück ist nach wie vor der von Kodak gefertigte CCD-Sensor mit einer Auflösung von 37,5 Megapixeln. [...]

09-19-2012, 04:57 AM	#133
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by froeschle According to German fotoMAGAZIN, the Leica S still uses the sensor of the S2: Yes it does, and the new Hasselblad H5D series use the same sensors as the H4D series; there isn't any new sensor/back announced with the new Mamiya Leaf 645DF+ either.

09-19-2012, 05:06 AM	#134
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	So, the KAF-50100 still could be a possible option for the 645DII - apart from the KAF-40000 used in the 645D.

09-19-2012, 05:16 AM	#135
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668	Originally posted by Mistral75 Yes it does, and the new Hasselblad H5D series use the same sensors as the H4D series; there isn't any new sensor/back announced with the new Mamiya Leaf 645DF+ either. As far as I'm aware this is not yet announced at the show, but... I assure you that there are three new Hasselblad backs in the works. One will most likely be in the 75m to 80m range - which is quite close to the Mamiya Credo 80 back. Another newer version of the 50ms back but in higher mp. And of all things - a new film back. Mamiya also has plans in the 11-13 month range for new backs as well