Just a thought to take to heart.

mysterick · 01-17-2008, 04:49 AM

The real question is: Is Wendy a Master beta tester?

Busiko · 01-17-2008, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by mutley

Who makes these decisions, and by what criteria? Do they ship you the camera?

Is it a varying demographic thing where Karen, the retiring motor vehicles dept. clerk in Newton, Mass; Juan, the brunch manager at that big portuguese restaurant in Kalamazoo; and Clarise the CPA in Amagansett, NY, amongst others just seem to luck out in acquiring these cameras to test?

Instead of a camera I would like to test a "Bacalhau à Zé do Pipo" at that portuguese restaurant in Kalamazoo

.
Rui

Tom Lusk · 01-17-2008, 05:41 AM

I wonder...

Wendy B = Ben K???

Rumour has it he was using an alias on the "other" forum after being banned and was caught?

The plot thickens...

Any technically gifted members able to trace their posts back to the source?

mattdm · 01-17-2008, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

What she wrote in that thread has no relationship to this one at all. Being a Pentax beta tester does not mean that whatever he/she wrote is correct. She stated one of her belief there (which is NOT Pentax or K20D related), I am skeptical as well, but that has nothing to do with K20D prototype or what she wrote here. Obviously she read something in the internet or have been told about those seemingly out-of-the-world stuff. And you know that there are plenty out there.

Ah, but it is related -- that discussion comes out of her claim that the supposedly-leaked K20D test shots from Dubai have been proven via "sensor fingerprinting" to be from a K100D. (Did she say "those aren't like test shots I've taken?" No....)

There's no reason at all to believe what she's saying other than a wish to believe.

Ben K. sometimes acts pretty ridiculous, but he's highly credible (despite wrong predictions this summer) because he's using his real name and one can verify that he is indeed a pro fashion photographer and find all sorts of details on his history. More than you might want, even.

He might not be right but it's pretty sure he means what he says.

By contrast, who is this "WendyB"? Someone who showed up here a month ago, and who has some random unverifiable profile details (37 years old, "Pentax photgrapher amateur 30 years") claiming secret knowledge. (Interestingly, while that does nothing to establish credibility, if it's accurate it's certainly enough to be sure that she won't get to sign a NDA next time around -- why do that?)

Maybe she does have some inside information, but the smart money on "no she doesn't").

This isn't just me showing up and calling someone a liar. Extraordinary claims demand, well, at least a smidgen of skepticism.

ricardobeat · 01-17-2008, 06:06 AM

We don't know what she means exactly, and she probably can't say much more if it is true. She could mean that all Pentax cameras have a fingerprint. This fingerprint might identify sensor/camera models, not a specific camera built. Or as someone said, she could be repeating what someone else said.

There are many technologies for digital authentication, some have been available for many years. There is a software being developed in NY for recognizing camera models from single samples, it's not unfeasable. Finding the truth behind photographs: Newsroom: SPIE.org

All this talk about conspiracies and crap, camera database, comes all from your mind. Please stop harassing people who try to state knowledge of their own or post useful information. This forum is becoming unbearable with every thread ending up in flames. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't accuse people this way or discard their opinios like this on a face-to-face conversation, so try not to hide behind your LCD.

Mike Cash · 01-17-2008, 06:09 AM

Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel?

cateto · 01-17-2008, 06:12 AM

I am a newbie here, but not at other places. And in other fields that interest me, I know a few people with actual insider information.

From my experience, I can tell you that if someone actually wants to leak inside info, he/she will be most careful to hide his/her identity to avoid problems with NDA. In that regard, I would say it fits to see that Wendy won't give any hint about her/his real identity.

Besides, and in my humble opinion, her posts look credible. We will see in short whether they hold water or not. But my instict says "yes".

BTW, I don't know how many of you guys can read Spanish. For those who can, there is a webpage from a Spanish well known photographer, Valentín Sama, called DSLR Magazine. He's extremely well informed, and he's under NDA with Pentax regarding the K20 (since November 2007). No secret here: he posted it.

If you look at his post on upcoming products for PMA 08 (here), and based on the drawings from recently disclosed Pentax patents, an on the recently leaked specs of the Samsung GX-20, he speaks openly about Live View ON THE VIEWFINDER.

There is actually a very little jump to make from that to suggest that the rumoured 720 p/H264 video is more than a possibility in the K20HD. And I happily do that jump, as I signed no NDA whatsoever. In fact, I just updated the little article I posted about the rumoured specs of the K20HD in my blog with this very piece of info, that I consider overlooked thus far.

mattdm · 01-17-2008, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by cateto

From my experience, I can tell you that if someone actually wants to leak inside info, he/she will be most careful to hide his/her identity to avoid problems with NDA. In that regard, I would say it fits to see that Wendy won't give any hint about her/his real identity.

So your theory is that the personal info in her profile is fake?

I'm not saying that she's definitely not got inside information. I'm just saying her credibility is extremely low, and that therefore it's extremely likely this whole thread is a hoax.

cateto · 01-17-2008, 06:35 AM

No: I just mean what I wrote, that people leaking info have to be very careful about their ID.

And I keep on thinking that Wendy's posts look credible. But this is just me smelling, and I could be completely wrong.

ricardobeat · 01-17-2008, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

So your theory is that the personal info in her profile is fake?

I'm not saying that she's definitely not got inside information. I'm just saying her credibility is extremely low, and that therefore it's extremely likely this whole thread is a hoax.

Just like all the other threads in this forum. Come on... YOU think her credibility is extremely low. For me her credibility is a non-issue. This is the internet, you know. If she's right, good, if she's not, whatever!!

zntgrg · 01-17-2008, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel?

With earphones embedded on the strap

Falcons · 01-17-2008, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel?

I hope it comes with an cordless remote control. It would be absolutely barbaric if I had to get out of my chair to change the channel on my camera.

Kaimarx · 01-17-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Falcons

I hope it comes with an cordless remote control. It would be absolutely barbaric if I had to get out of my chair to change the channel on my camera.

ROFLMAO...

ytterbium · 01-17-2008, 08:50 AM

off topic.. why people still speculate on k** *D if there already is a site called
www.k20d.jp
only if its not actually owned by pentax...

lol101 · 01-17-2008, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Tom Lusk

I wonder...

Wendy B = Ben K???

Rumour has it he was using an alias on the "other" forum after being banned and was caught?

The plot thickens...

Any technically gifted members able to trace their posts back to the source?

Damn! I just had the vision of a bald man sitting on the porche of a nice house in Grosse Pointe, Michigan with a rubby-red wig on its laughing head!

01-17-2008, 04:51 AM	#77
Busiko Guest	Portuguese Restaurant... Originally posted by mutley Who makes these decisions, and by what criteria? Do they ship you the camera? Is it a varying demographic thing where Karen, the retiring motor vehicles dept. clerk in Newton, Mass; Juan, the brunch manager at that big portuguese restaurant in Kalamazoo; and Clarise the CPA in Amagansett, NY, amongst others just seem to luck out in acquiring these cameras to test? Instead of a camera I would like to test a "Bacalhau à Zé do Pipo" at that portuguese restaurant in Kalamazoo. Rui

01-17-2008, 05:41 AM	#78
Tom Lusk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 973	Hmmmm... I wonder... Wendy B = Ben K??? Rumour has it he was using an alias on the "other" forum after being banned and was caught? The plot thickens... Any technically gifted members able to trace their posts back to the source? Last edited by Tom Lusk; 01-17-2008 at 05:56 AM.

01-17-2008, 06:06 AM	#80
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	About the "digital fingerprints" We don't know what she means exactly, and she probably can't say much more if it is true. She could mean that all Pentax cameras have a fingerprint. This fingerprint might identify sensor/camera models, not a specific camera built. Or as someone said, she could be repeating what someone else said. There are many technologies for digital authentication, some have been available for many years. There is a software being developed in NY for recognizing camera models from single samples, it's not unfeasable. Finding the truth behind photographs: Newsroom: SPIE.org All this talk about conspiracies and crap, camera database, comes all from your mind. Please stop harassing people who try to state knowledge of their own or post useful information. This forum is becoming unbearable with every thread ending up in flames. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't accuse people this way or discard their opinios like this on a face-to-face conversation, so try not to hide behind your LCD.

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01-17-2008, 04:49 AM	#76
mysterick Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 44266 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 567	The real question is: Is Wendy a Master beta tester?

01-17-2008, 05:58 AM	#79
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by nosnoop What she wrote in that thread has no relationship to this one at all. Being a Pentax beta tester does not mean that whatever he/she wrote is correct. She stated one of her belief there (which is NOT Pentax or K20D related), I am skeptical as well, but that has nothing to do with K20D prototype or what she wrote here. Obviously she read something in the internet or have been told about those seemingly out-of-the-world stuff. And you know that there are plenty out there. Ah, but it is related -- that discussion comes out of her claim that the supposedly-leaked K20D test shots from Dubai have been proven via "sensor fingerprinting" to be from a K100D. (Did she say "those aren't like test shots I've taken?" No....) There's no reason at all to believe what she's saying other than a wish to believe. Ben K. sometimes acts pretty ridiculous, but he's highly credible (despite wrong predictions this summer) because he's using his real name and one can verify that he is indeed a pro fashion photographer and find all sorts of details on his history. More than you might want, even. He might not be right but it's pretty sure he means what he says. By contrast, who is this "WendyB"? Someone who showed up here a month ago, and who has some random unverifiable profile details (37 years old, "Pentax photgrapher amateur 30 years") claiming secret knowledge. (Interestingly, while that does nothing to establish credibility, if it's accurate it's certainly enough to be sure that she won't get to sign a NDA next time around -- why do that?) Maybe she does have some inside information, but the smart money on "no she doesn't"). This isn't just me showing up and calling someone a liar. Extraordinary claims demand, well, at least a smidgen of skepticism.

01-17-2008, 06:09 AM	#81
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel?

01-17-2008, 06:12 AM	#82
cateto Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 189	I am a newbie here, but not at other places. And in other fields that interest me, I know a few people with actual insider information. From my experience, I can tell you that if someone actually wants to leak inside info, he/she will be most careful to hide his/her identity to avoid problems with NDA. In that regard, I would say it fits to see that Wendy won't give any hint about her/his real identity. Besides, and in my humble opinion, her posts look credible. We will see in short whether they hold water or not. But my instict says "yes". BTW, I don't know how many of you guys can read Spanish. For those who can, there is a webpage from a Spanish well known photographer, Valentín Sama, called DSLR Magazine. He's extremely well informed, and he's under NDA with Pentax regarding the K20 (since November 2007). No secret here: he posted it. If you look at his post on upcoming products for PMA 08 (here), and based on the drawings from recently disclosed Pentax patents, an on the recently leaked specs of the Samsung GX-20, he speaks openly about Live View ON THE VIEWFINDER. There is actually a very little jump to make from that to suggest that the rumoured 720 p/H264 video is more than a possibility in the K20HD. And I happily do that jump, as I signed no NDA whatsoever. In fact, I just updated the little article I posted about the rumoured specs of the K20HD in my blog with this very piece of info, that I consider overlooked thus far.

01-17-2008, 06:24 AM	#83
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by cateto From my experience, I can tell you that if someone actually wants to leak inside info, he/she will be most careful to hide his/her identity to avoid problems with NDA. In that regard, I would say it fits to see that Wendy won't give any hint about her/his real identity. So your theory is that the personal info in her profile is fake? I'm not saying that she's definitely not got inside information. I'm just saying her credibility is extremely low, and that therefore it's extremely likely this whole thread is a hoax.

01-17-2008, 06:35 AM	#84
cateto Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 189	No: I just mean what I wrote, that people leaking info have to be very careful about their ID. And I keep on thinking that Wendy's posts look credible. But this is just me smelling, and I could be completely wrong.

01-17-2008, 06:37 AM	#85
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	Originally posted by mattdm So your theory is that the personal info in her profile is fake? I'm not saying that she's definitely not got inside information. I'm just saying her credibility is extremely low, and that therefore it's extremely likely this whole thread is a hoax. Just like all the other threads in this forum. Come on... YOU think her credibility is extremely low. For me her credibility is a non-issue. This is the internet, you know. If she's right, good, if she's not, whatever!!

01-17-2008, 06:44 AM	#86
zntgrg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Verona, Italy Posts: 202	Originally posted by Mike Cash Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel? With earphones embedded on the strap

01-17-2008, 07:00 AM	#87
Falcons Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Perth Photos: Gallery Posts: 669	Originally posted by Mike Cash Will the camera incorporate a built-in TV tuner that we can use to watch programs on the rear panel? I hope it comes with an cordless remote control. It would be absolutely barbaric if I had to get out of my chair to change the channel on my camera.

01-17-2008, 08:26 AM	#88
Kaimarx Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Auckland Photos: Gallery Posts: 452	Originally posted by Falcons I hope it comes with an cordless remote control. It would be absolutely barbaric if I had to get out of my chair to change the channel on my camera. ROFLMAO...

01-17-2008, 08:50 AM	#89
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01-17-2008, 09:37 AM	#90
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Tom Lusk I wonder... Wendy B = Ben K??? Rumour has it he was using an alias on the "other" forum after being banned and was caught? The plot thickens... Any technically gifted members able to trace their posts back to the source? Damn! I just had the vision of a bald man sitting on the porche of a nice house in Grosse Pointe, Michigan with a rubby-red wig on its laughing head!