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05-22-2012, 01:48 AM   #886
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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
The DA WR lens didn't exist at the time of the K10D, K20D or K200D. Short of packing it with a DA* they had no other choice.

The K-7 and K-5 were sold with DA WRs, and if Pentax is marketing the K30 as an affordable WR camera, than it should include WR kits, especially if theyre making marketing claims about "full worry-free weather sealing" on them.
BH photo video offers quite a few kits, but the product images are confusing, e.g. here:
Pentax K30 Digital Camera with 18-55mm Lens Kit (Black) 15624

The image shows the cheap DA-L lens, but the text says: 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR Zoom Lens

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QuoteOriginally posted by twitch Quote
The card up K-5's sleeve is ISO80, it makes a difference in the dxo graphs and got it "the win" over the Nikon D7000
It's more - if you look at the charts, the K-5 beats the K01's DR all the way up to ISO 1600 - is it because of 14 bit raw?

On the other hand, the K01 has a slightly better S/N ratio at higher ISOs.
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Thanks, Causey. I've only read a few paragraphs at your link so far, but I can already see that the writer is writing from an actual hands-on perspective.
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The K-5 uses a superior sensor... makes choosing between K-5 and K-30 a lot easier in my book:

DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

assuming the K-01 uses the same sensor as the K-30 anyway.
From the imaging-resource preview:
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We're told to expect better image quality than the K-5, so we're pretty excited to get a shootable Pentax K-30 into the lab for testing. Stay tuned!
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I think the concept of "better image quality" is going to need to be defined a little more clearly before anybody can draw conclusions.
It is a well known fact that Pentax images even from the k-5 are known to have so-so jpeg renderings in camera.. most serious photographers are shooting raw and processing the raw files to get the best images possible from the raw file. But where does that leave the magazine reviewers and snapshooters? with less than stellar jpegs of course.
so the k-01 has better in camera processing and gives up a couple bits in the raw files but results are better (and dare I say it... sharper, more saturated jpegs, more canikon looking results) out of camera... not a bad trade off for image quality overall...
so if the k30 does the same as the k-01, then most people will be happy.. most...

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Probably spot-on (I must say I find the JPEGs from my K-5 to be quite good, but we're talking about pixel peeping here).
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
It's more - if you look at the charts, the K-5 beats the K01's DR all the way up to ISO 1600 - is it because of 14 bit raw?

On the other hand, the K01 has a slightly better S/N ratio at higher ISOs.
I imagine it is due to 14 bit RAW. However, the difference is negligible. Small enough that I doubt you could ever find a difference in real world shooting.

On the other hand, the K-01/K-30 sensor seems to be tuned for video -- a lot more options than are available on the K5. The odd thing though is no HDMI or, external mic input. Feels like an odd thing to leave out, but I imagine they were trying to hit a price point and had to leave something out...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I imagine it is due to 14 bit RAW. However, the difference is negligible. Small enough that I doubt you could ever find a difference in real world shooting.

On the other hand, the K-01/K-30 sensor seems to be tuned for video -- a lot more options than are available on the K5. The odd thing though is no HDMI or, external mic input. Feels like an odd thing to leave out, but I imagine they were trying to hit a price point and had to leave something out...
doubt it was price point.
Pentax has listened to what the majority of it's users wanted (i've seen forum debates on tis issue here and other forums) and created the enthusiasts camera users have been asking for. I expect better video features are coming.. on the next pro spec model to be released. this is to keep distinctions in the line up to prevent a lower priced model from canibalizing it's pricier sibling in sales. not to save a buck on the k30.
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CameraSize has the K-30 available for comparison... here's a link against the K-5 and K-r

Compact Camera Meter

It quite literally, sits between the K-5 and K-r


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QuoteOriginally posted by Vylen Quote
CameraSize has the K-30 available for comparison... here's a link against the K-5 and K-r

Compact Camera Meter

It quite literally, sits between the K-5 and K-r
Man, the K-30 really looks good.

I'm just wondering, what is the minimum ISO? It says 100-12800 (expandable to 25,600), but does it expand downwards at all? Is the 100 already expanded, does it go further down to 80, or is 100 the min?

EDIT: Oh, and I think if its marketed as WR it should come with a WR kit lens. What is the point of getting a non-WR kit with a WR body anyway? Everyone will encounter rain and think "can I use this camera?" and I think the last thing Pentax needs is a bunch of newbies angry with Pentax for "tricking them" (even if its completely their own fault).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
EDIT: Oh, and I think if its marketed as WR it should come with a WR kit lens. What is the point of getting a non-WR kit with a WR body anyway? Everyone will encounter rain and think "can I use this camera?" and I think the last thing Pentax needs is a bunch of newbies angry with Pentax for "tricking them" (even if its completely their own fault).
We've been here before [rolls eyes]
I have two WR bodies, and use lots of non-WR lenses with them. In fact, at the moment, only two of my lenses are WR, and they are quite specialised, and infrequently used.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
EDIT: Oh, and I think if its marketed as WR it should come with a WR kit lens. What is the point of getting a non-WR kit with a WR body anyway? Everyone will encounter rain and think "can I use this camera?" and I think the last thing Pentax needs is a bunch of newbies angry with Pentax for "tricking them" (even if its completely their own fault).
Well... B&H is selling it with pretty much only WR lenses. You can get it with the 18-55 WR only, or the 18-55 WR and 50-200 WR, or the 18-55 WR and the 55-300... The latter being the standout as it doesn't have a WR counterpart but not much can be done about that for now.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Vylen Quote
Well... B&H is selling it with pretty much only WR lenses. You can get it with the 18-55 WR only, or the 18-55 WR and 50-200 WR, or the 18-55 WR and the 55-300... The latter being the standout as it doesn't have a WR counterpart but not much can be done about that for now.
Very good, I hope it's right since they show pictures with the DA-L.
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some photos of real K-30s (and a K-30 with DA 50/1.8), seen from a Chinese microblogging site.
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Hmmm... so there wasn't any extraneous light being used for the official K-30 photos for the blue model... it really is quite the shiny little thing
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The K-01 is the video-system camera, so if you want to go serious about video then the K-01 is the option. The K-30 is a serious still photo camera for those that occasional shoot video. Of course Pentax has to leave something out of the K-30, otherwise why make the K-01? They need to target different customers.
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