Pentax K30 Picture Leak & Discussion: Weather-sealed intro DSLR

Anvh · 05-17-2012, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

they have said that going forward all VF would be 100% though, so that avenue is out (definitely the low price is Pentamirror though as is this mid model I imagine) Definitely WR is gone, back to a single wheel and various other options gone, with more idiot modes built in (since they cost virtually nothing to offer)

First time hearing about the 100% VF, i wonder why they would put one in a budget model, a 98% is just so much cheaper to make.

Anvh · 05-17-2012, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has.

16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus.

This camera *really* needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses.

Don't forget the price.
This camera looks to have the same performance as the Nikon D7000 but is priced quite a bit lower.
The D7000 is going now for €999, the advertised price of the K30 is €799 but the actual sale price will probably be around €729, that's €270 difference so that really is interesting.

StephenHampshire · 05-17-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by WerTicus

It does nothing useful on my K-5... I can program it to do one of several pointless things. It COULD be awesome if i could program it to do ANYTHING.

The original purpose of the button is obsolete since memory cards are cheap enough to shoot raw + jpg 100% of the time.

I use it for exposure bracketing. Very useful for HDR.

eddie1960 · 05-17-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

Don't forget the price.
This camera looks to have the same performance as the Nikon D7000 but is priced quite a bit lower.
The D7000 is going now for €999, the advertised price of the K30 is €799 but the actual sale price will probably be around €729, that's €270 difference so that really is interesting.

D7000 likely is up for replacement like the K5. Both models are impacted by the features on the K30

WR and (assumed) dual wheel seem pretty impressive at the price. It'll be interesting to see what the NA release price is

JinDesu · 05-17-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has.

16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus.

This camera *really* needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses.

Bundled yes. Either the 18-55 or the 18-135.

But it also has - best in-class IQ, best in-class ISO performance, and colored bodies (hey, if Canon's emulating...)!!

But WR is a big big thing, even if you say "all it really has". It's technically competing with the D5100 (or 5200, if that comes out) and the T3i (and it's subsequent release). Neither of those have WR (currently).

stockcharacter · 05-17-2012, 08:57 AM

I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv?

french_mike · 05-17-2012, 09:02 AM

it does loke very small to me , no ? especially not that high

eddie1960 · 05-17-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by stockcharacter

I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv?

No-one has the full feature set. Tav will likely remain an option on the K5 and it's replacement. there have to be some incentives to move up. Versus your Kx i'm pretty sure this will be a big step up (and therefore your new primary camera with the kx relegated to backup/second body status

illdefined · 05-17-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Bundled yes. Either the 18-55 or the 18-135.

But it also has - best in-class IQ, best in-class ISO performance, and colored bodies (hey, if Canon's emulating...)!!

But WR is a big big thing, even if you say "all it really has". It's technically competing with the D5100 (or 5200, if that comes out) and the T3i (and it's subsequent release). Neither of those have WR (currently).

WR is a big thing, but only if the feature is fully realized to the consumer with WR kit lenses. Both the Amazon UK listings and their respective press photos very worryingly had the non-WR DA L lenses attached.

If it does indeed come bundled this way, Pentax would be sending out a very mixed message and will likely be getting a TON of uninformed warranty repairs sent their way.

audiobomber · 05-17-2012, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by french_mike

it does loke very small to me , no ? especially not that high

It looks K-r sized to me.

french_mike · 05-17-2012, 09:19 AM

here is a picture with the WR lense

audiobomber · 05-17-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by stockcharacter

I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv?

No one here knows, but if it doesn't have TAv, it should at least allow ISO to float in Manual mode like the K-01. Honestly, I will not consider another camera without one of those two features.

french_mike · 05-17-2012, 09:20 AM

is the grip that look small, anough space for 2 fingers on it ...

**luftfluss** · 05-17-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has.

16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus.

So, after a few weeks when the new user becomes "initiated", he/she is supposed to... what? Sell the DSLR and "upgrade"? Pure foolishness.

Quote:

This camera *really* needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses.

This I agree with.

**luftfluss** · 05-17-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

WR is a big thing, but only if the feature is fully realized to the consumer with WR kit lenses. Both the Amazon UK listings and their respective press photos very worryingly had the non-WR DA L lenses attached.

If it does indeed come bundled this way, Pentax would be sending out a very mixed message and will likely be getting a TON of uninformed warranty repairs sent their way.

Didn't seem to be much of an issue with all the previous WR bodies.

05-17-2012, 09:19 AM	#387
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by stockcharacter I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv? No one here knows, but if it doesn't have TAv, it should at least allow ISO to float in Manual mode like the K-01. Honestly, I will not consider another camera without one of those two features. Last edited by audiobomber; 05-17-2012 at 09:30 AM.

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05-17-2012, 08:25 AM	#376
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by eddie1960 they have said that going forward all VF would be 100% though, so that avenue is out (definitely the low price is Pentamirror though as is this mid model I imagine) Definitely WR is gone, back to a single wheel and various other options gone, with more idiot modes built in (since they cost virtually nothing to offer) First time hearing about the 100% VF, i wonder why they would put one in a budget model, a 98% is just so much cheaper to make.

05-17-2012, 08:30 AM	#377
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by illdefined Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has. 16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus. This camera really needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses. Don't forget the price. This camera looks to have the same performance as the Nikon D7000 but is priced quite a bit lower. The D7000 is going now for €999, the advertised price of the K30 is €799 but the actual sale price will probably be around €729, that's €270 difference so that really is interesting.

05-17-2012, 08:40 AM	#378
StephenHampshire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by WerTicus It does nothing useful on my K-5... I can program it to do one of several pointless things. It COULD be awesome if i could program it to do ANYTHING. The original purpose of the button is obsolete since memory cards are cheap enough to shoot raw + jpg 100% of the time. I use it for exposure bracketing. Very useful for HDR.

05-17-2012, 08:48 AM	#379
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Anvh Don't forget the price. This camera looks to have the same performance as the Nikon D7000 but is priced quite a bit lower. The D7000 is going now for €999, the advertised price of the K30 is €799 but the actual sale price will probably be around €729, that's €270 difference so that really is interesting. D7000 likely is up for replacement like the K5. Both models are impacted by the features on the K30 WR and (assumed) dual wheel seem pretty impressive at the price. It'll be interesting to see what the NA release price is

05-17-2012, 08:51 AM	#380
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by illdefined Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has. 16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus. This camera really needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses. Bundled yes. Either the 18-55 or the 18-135. But it also has - best in-class IQ, best in-class ISO performance, and colored bodies (hey, if Canon's emulating...)!! But WR is a big big thing, even if you say "all it really has". It's technically competing with the D5100 (or 5200, if that comes out) and the T3i (and it's subsequent release). Neither of those have WR (currently).

05-17-2012, 08:57 AM	#381
stockcharacter Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 30	I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv?

05-17-2012, 09:02 AM	#382
french_mike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland and France Posts: 167	it does loke very small to me , no ? especially not that high

05-17-2012, 09:10 AM	#383
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by stockcharacter I might have to either upgrade my K-x or find some way to buy this as a second camera. . .does anyone know if it will have TAv? No-one has the full feature set. Tav will likely remain an option on the K5 and it's replacement. there have to be some incentives to move up. Versus your Kx i'm pretty sure this will be a big step up (and therefore your new primary camera with the kx relegated to backup/second body status

05-17-2012, 09:16 AM	#384
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by JinDesu Bundled yes. Either the 18-55 or the 18-135. But it also has - best in-class IQ, best in-class ISO performance, and colored bodies (hey, if Canon's emulating...)!! But WR is a big big thing, even if you say "all it really has". It's technically competing with the D5100 (or 5200, if that comes out) and the T3i (and it's subsequent release). Neither of those have WR (currently). WR is a big thing, but only if the feature is fully realized to the consumer with WR kit lenses. Both the Amazon UK listings and their respective press photos very worryingly had the non-WR DA L lenses attached. If it does indeed come bundled this way, Pentax would be sending out a very mixed message and will likely be getting a TON of uninformed warranty repairs sent their way.

05-17-2012, 09:17 AM	#385
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by french_mike it does loke very small to me , no ? especially not that high It looks K-r sized to me.

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05-17-2012, 09:19 AM	#386
french_mike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland and France Posts: 167	here is a picture with the WR lense

05-17-2012, 09:20 AM	#388
french_mike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland and France Posts: 167	is the grip that look small, anough space for 2 fingers on it ...

05-17-2012, 09:21 AM	#389
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,618	Originally posted by illdefined Quite frankly, affordable WR is all this camera really has. 16mp is strictly the APS-C standard now (even for m4/3s) and the 2nd dial is a power feature for the initiated. Its not really a marketable feature for the newcomer, for them its merely a bonus. So, after a few weeks when the new user becomes "initiated", he/she is supposed to... what? Sell the DSLR and "upgrade"? Pure foolishness. Quote: This camera really needs to be bundled with WR kit lenses. This I agree with.

05-17-2012, 09:23 AM	#390
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,618	Originally posted by illdefined WR is a big thing, but only if the feature is fully realized to the consumer with WR kit lenses. Both the Amazon UK listings and their respective press photos very worryingly had the non-WR DA L lenses attached. If it does indeed come bundled this way, Pentax would be sending out a very mixed message and will likely be getting a TON of uninformed warranty repairs sent their way. Didn't seem to be much of an issue with all the previous WR bodies.