Pentax K30 Picture Leak & Discussion: Weather-sealed intro DSLR

eddie1960 · 05-18-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by sjwaldron

If the other camera was anything of consequence to SLRs, it would have to be one of the best kept camera secrets I've seen in a long time (Pentax in general is good in hiding stuff, but not that good). I'd like to see it being something grand, but I'd be pretty surprised if it really is. Although...... a 50mm lens being released at the same time.... you never know.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Time to bide some time until next week.

now if the DA50 is WR a kit with the K30 could seriously tempt me

wjjstu · 05-18-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

T3whatever. Can't be bothered keeping track of all of Canon's Rebels, though I do know they've had an 18mp one out for quite a while now. We all know a 2mp difference is meaningless (and a 2nd dial is not), but which specification do you think matters more at a Best Buy or other big box retailer?

Now WR means a good bit to anyone, but Adam has confirmed that the K30 will be bundled with non-WR lenses, in one fell swoop negating the one main marketing advantage the K30 had over its bigger MP competitors. Unless it has an articulated screen, don't expect that second dial to change many people's minds.

You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels.

eddie1960 · 05-18-2012, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by wjjstu

You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels.

actually i will bet in the big box stores the t3i outsells the d5100 significantly. Never underestimate the gullibility of the public they buy crap regularly. and have for eons. just look at 110 cameras or 126 cameras or the beta/vhs battle
better means little.
maybe i'm just a cynical ex retailer

illdefined · 05-18-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by wjjstu

You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels.

Do you know how well it did vs. the T3i?

What I do know is that both the T3i and D5100 came out last year and both have articulated screens. Let's hope the K30 does too because apparently the lenses it comes with won't be WR. If not then that's turning out to be one very expensive 2nd dial.

VisualDarkness · 05-18-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by wjjstu

You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels.

Don't forget that it is Nikon vs Canon there, Pentax vs Nikon is a tougher game to win. Both Nikon and Canon can release a camera, stamp their name on it and it will sell just based on the brand.

Anvh · 05-18-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

T3whatever. Can't be bothered keeping track of all of Canon's Rebels, though I do know they've had an 18mp one out for quite a while now. We all know a 2mp difference is meaningless (and a 2nd dial is not), but which specification do you think matters more at a Best Buy or other big box retailer?

Now WR means a good bit to anyone, but Adam has confirmed that the K30 will be bundled with non-WR lenses, in one fell swoop negating the one main marketing advantage the K30 had over its bigger MP competitors. Unless it has an articulated screen, don't expect that second dial to change many people's minds.

Strange choice while Pentax has 3 WR kit lenses, hope Adam isnt right.

glanglois · 05-18-2012, 08:08 PM

Why on earth assume that a Pentax kit with the K30 and the non-WR 18-55 would entirely negate the possibility of a kit with the WR 18-55? Some here appear to believe that Pentax cannot choose to offer both. Ever.

If the advertising we see is correct, Pentax will offer both - but it's not clear (yet) which kit will be offered in which markets and at which times. Those are entirely different issues.

It seems we're tripping over our own speculation again.

jct us101 · 05-18-2012, 08:15 PM

Why can't Pentax make an attractive looking entry level DSLR. It's all smooshed.

lammie200 · 05-18-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by lammie200

I see your points but for someone that has a 50"- 60" flat screen tv and wants to display their pics on it, more MP's will be a good thing. Lots of people have big tv's now. I would imagine that many people would expect that their camera should take full advantage of it.

Originally posted by RBellavance

And these TVs are, at best, 1920x1080, i.e. 2MP.

I guess that I was also thinking that the actual display resolution is somewhat irrelevant. With pics there are some advantages for getting good display results from higher mp sources. Also, with the myriad of cropping and pp stuff that you can do, the sky is the limit on how much mp's can evolve. The fact that people may want to view it on large flat screens is just my thought on why someone may want to use more mp's a part of a decision tree for deciding on what camera to purchase.

Maybe you were in on this thread? Check out the beer label comparison.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/170873-pixel-war-o...d-go-24-a.html

Like I wrote, I will admit that I don't know all that much about sensors. However, at this point there has to be considerable effort being put into implementing 24mp technology. It may max out its aps-c size effectively for most lens setups. But someone might be able to get it to perform at a high level, too. It will be interesting what R/P decides to use for the eventual semi pro replacement. They may tweak the original 16mp sensor one more time. It would save a lot people some storage / file transfer rate wait issues.

illdefined · 05-18-2012, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by glanglois

Why on earth assume that a Pentax kit with the K30 and the non-WR 18-55 would entirely negate the possibility of a kit with the WR 18-55? Some here appear to believe that Pentax cannot choose to offer both. Ever.

If the advertising we see is correct, Pentax will offer both - but it's not clear (yet) which kit will be offered in which markets and at which times. Those are entirely different issues.

It seems we're tripping over our own speculation again.

until Monday I guess we are.

WerTicus · 05-18-2012, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

not a chance this is a k5 replacement. that will 99.9% be the Sony 24mp sensor from the nex 7.

So we have a situation where the lower end model has a better sensor than the higher end model... just like the d4 and d800. DXO proves this already.

illdefined · 05-19-2012, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

Strange choice while Pentax has 3 WR kit lenses, hope Adam isnt right.

Me too.

NickLarsson · 05-19-2012, 01:40 AM

What about wifi ?

D3200 has it, D5200 will have it, and next canon will surely have too.

wll · 05-19-2012, 03:47 AM

This is the best looking Pentax camera I have seen in many years. I really like design, it is very powerful, not some designers vision of what a camera should look like when you are on a fashion runway !

wll

Unsinkable II · 05-19-2012, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by NickLarsson

What about wifi ?

D3200 has it, D5200 will have it, and next canon will surely have too.

D3200 doesn't have it. It has a stupid appendage waiting to get lost that has it.

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05-18-2012, 03:23 PM	#571
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by sjwaldron If the other camera was anything of consequence to SLRs, it would have to be one of the best kept camera secrets I've seen in a long time (Pentax in general is good in hiding stuff, but not that good). I'd like to see it being something grand, but I'd be pretty surprised if it really is. Although...... a 50mm lens being released at the same time.... you never know. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Time to bide some time until next week. now if the DA50 is WR a kit with the K30 could seriously tempt me

05-18-2012, 03:33 PM	#572
wjjstu Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 181	Originally posted by illdefined T3whatever. Can't be bothered keeping track of all of Canon's Rebels, though I do know they've had an 18mp one out for quite a while now. We all know a 2mp difference is meaningless (and a 2nd dial is not), but which specification do you think matters more at a Best Buy or other big box retailer? Now WR means a good bit to anyone, but Adam has confirmed that the K30 will be bundled with non-WR lenses, in one fell swoop negating the one main marketing advantage the K30 had over its bigger MP competitors. Unless it has an articulated screen, don't expect that second dial to change many people's minds. You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels.

05-18-2012, 03:41 PM	#573
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by wjjstu You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels. actually i will bet in the big box stores the t3i outsells the d5100 significantly. Never underestimate the gullibility of the public they buy crap regularly. and have for eons. just look at 110 cameras or 126 cameras or the beta/vhs battle better means little. maybe i'm just a cynical ex retailer

05-18-2012, 05:21 PM	#574
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by wjjstu You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels. Do you know how well it did vs. the T3i? What I do know is that both the T3i and D5100 came out last year and both have articulated screens. Let's hope the K30 does too because apparently the lenses it comes with won't be WR. If not then that's turning out to be one very expensive 2nd dial.

05-18-2012, 05:36 PM	#575
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by wjjstu You must be shocked and wondering how the D5100 could have ever competed against the T3i. It was released at the same price point and a month later AND with fewer megapixels. Don't forget that it is Nikon vs Canon there, Pentax vs Nikon is a tougher game to win. Both Nikon and Canon can release a camera, stamp their name on it and it will sell just based on the brand.

05-18-2012, 06:31 PM	#576
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by illdefined T3whatever. Can't be bothered keeping track of all of Canon's Rebels, though I do know they've had an 18mp one out for quite a while now. We all know a 2mp difference is meaningless (and a 2nd dial is not), but which specification do you think matters more at a Best Buy or other big box retailer? Now WR means a good bit to anyone, but Adam has confirmed that the K30 will be bundled with non-WR lenses, in one fell swoop negating the one main marketing advantage the K30 had over its bigger MP competitors. Unless it has an articulated screen, don't expect that second dial to change many people's minds. Strange choice while Pentax has 3 WR kit lenses, hope Adam isnt right.

05-18-2012, 08:08 PM	#577
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Why on earth assume that a Pentax kit with the K30 and the non-WR 18-55 would entirely negate the possibility of a kit with the WR 18-55? Some here appear to believe that Pentax cannot choose to offer both. Ever. If the advertising we see is correct, Pentax *will* offer both - but it's not clear (yet) which kit will be offered in which markets and at which times. Those are entirely different issues. It seems we're tripping over our own speculation again.

05-18-2012, 08:15 PM	#578
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Why can't Pentax make an attractive looking entry level DSLR. It's all smooshed.

05-18-2012, 09:38 PM	#579
lammie200 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Photos: Albums Posts: 1,033	Originally posted by lammie200 I see your points but for someone that has a 50"- 60" flat screen tv and wants to display their pics on it, more MP's will be a good thing. Lots of people have big tv's now. I would imagine that many people would expect that their camera should take full advantage of it. Originally posted by RBellavance And these TVs are, at best, 1920x1080, i.e. 2MP. I guess that I was also thinking that the actual display resolution is somewhat irrelevant. With pics there are some advantages for getting good display results from higher mp sources. Also, with the myriad of cropping and pp stuff that you can do, the sky is the limit on how much mp's can evolve. The fact that people may want to view it on large flat screens is just my thought on why someone may want to use more mp's a part of a decision tree for deciding on what camera to purchase. Maybe you were in on this thread? Check out the beer label comparison. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/170873-pixel-war-o...d-go-24-a.html Like I wrote, I will admit that I don't know all that much about sensors. However, at this point there has to be considerable effort being put into implementing 24mp technology. It may max out its aps-c size effectively for most lens setups. But someone might be able to get it to perform at a high level, too. It will be interesting what R/P decides to use for the eventual semi pro replacement. They may tweak the original 16mp sensor one more time. It would save a lot people some storage / file transfer rate wait issues.

05-18-2012, 11:35 PM	#580
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by glanglois Why on earth assume that a Pentax kit with the K30 and the non-WR 18-55 would entirely negate the possibility of a kit with the WR 18-55? Some here appear to believe that Pentax cannot choose to offer both. Ever. If the advertising we see is correct, Pentax *will* offer both - but it's not clear (yet) which kit will be offered in which markets and at which times. Those are entirely different issues. It seems we're tripping over our own speculation again. until Monday I guess we are.

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05-18-2012, 11:40 PM	#581
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	Originally posted by eddie1960 not a chance this is a k5 replacement. that will 99.9% be the Sony 24mp sensor from the nex 7. So we have a situation where the lower end model has a better sensor than the higher end model... just like the d4 and d800. DXO proves this already.

05-19-2012, 12:34 AM	#582
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by Anvh Strange choice while Pentax has 3 WR kit lenses, hope Adam isnt right. Me too.

05-19-2012, 01:40 AM	#583
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	What about wifi ? D3200 has it, D5200 will have it, and next canon will surely have too.

05-19-2012, 03:47 AM	#584
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	This is the best looking Pentax camera I have seen in many years. I really like design, it is very powerful, not some designers vision of what a camera should look like when you are on a fashion runway ! wll

05-19-2012, 05:04 AM	#585
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	Originally posted by NickLarsson What about wifi ? D3200 has it, D5200 will have it, and next canon will surely have too. D3200 doesn't have it. It has a stupid appendage waiting to get lost that has it.