Originally posted by monochrome In the political arena what illdefined is doing is known as disinformation and misdirection. The intent is to foster a discussion of a non-pertinent or untrue subject, thus removing attention from the pertinent (and usually positive) attributes of the core subject, in this case, the outstanding new K-30 camera.
In its most virulent form this tactic follows introduction of some spurious charge, such as that Pentax is wrongly marketing a weather resistant camera that isn't realy weather resistant, which is falsely claimed to be consumer fraud.
In these cases no amount of rational discussion or argument - or even fact-checking and proof-posting - will deter the disrupter from the goal, which is to destroy an opponent before the opponent has a chance to establish valid identity characteristics.
This kind of behavior is bad enough if limited to one discussion or thread - but since illdefined persists in disrupting many threads in several sub-forums with these spurious arguments, one can only decide that illdefined is a troll for Canon or Nikon who is intentionally introducing doubt into these discussions of a truly outstanding new camera released by Pentax, which has an outstanding cost/featuere value proposition.
If, in fact, illdefined is not a troll for Canon or Nikon, then the behavior is so troll-like as to be offensive to then entire Pentaxforums community.
And what you are doing Monochrome is called a personal attack.
Something nobody can accuse me of doing with all my "disinformation" posts. Posts that some people agree with. It's not 'disinformation' if everything I have said is backed by fact.
Fact: the K30 is being heavily marketed as a weather resistant camera, but selling it with and and without WR lenses, potentially leading to market confusion.
Fact: The NewEgg entry lists "Full Weather Sealing" as a Feature of the 18-55mm KIT, not just the camera section.
Fact: B&H lists the WR lens as part of the 18-55mm kit, but shows a DA-L in its picture. Every other retailer so far (Amazon, NewEgg) sell the 18-55mm kit with a DA-L for the SAME PRICE. There is indisputably an error somewhere (pic or listing), or B&H is running it's own or special kit which deserves a confirmation.
You can call me and my posts whatever you want, but it won't change any of the above.
Being a fan of the brand means you CARE about the brand, that's why I've been so concerned. Praising every step a brand makes, dismissing evidence of any missteps, and isolating and alienating people who bring up legit concerns isn't being a brand fan, it's being a fanatic/fanboy/cheerleader. If being publicly called names for stating facts and valid concerns about the Pentax brand is what it means to be part of the "PentaxForums Community" then I want no part in it.