Originally posted by monochrome I'm half pulling your leg (kidding) - but seriously, the oft-stated reason to shorten the register distance (beyond your arguments about aperture benefits using APSc sensors) is to make the camera thinner, lighter and smaller, IOW pocketable. Is there enough benefit to 10-15mm (which then won't compete with the thin MILC's) to make it worth it?
I quite simply cannot hold these small cameras stable and don't really understand how others do it. I compare my K-01 to an MX - M50/1.7 and it compares favorably, for me. There's enough area on the bottom to palm-cradle the camera by its base and enough mass to brace my arms against my sides and stabilize the camera.
Now if I really want a small, light, mirrorless, high-IQ camera with a shorter register distance I can get a Q - or one of the other brands.
I just can't get my head around why Pentax should invest the time, money, marketing and relationship risk in yet another new mount.
I doubt it will make much difference in actual use but on paper it could look more marketable.
And developing a FF camera with a new FF lens line is less risk then developing a APS-C camera with a new mount and a new lens line?
Both have their risk and i know that some say that APS-C has more future then FF with the advances we are seeing now.
So yeah what makes sense... make APS-C system that can compete with Canon and NIkon FF or get a FF camera.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages, i know i'm not the only one here that a new mount might be beneficial, if it's better then FF camera, i don't know do you?
Originally posted by drougge No, they reach as far back as they can without hitting the mirror (on an FF camera in the Pentax case, which could be changed). Moving the mount backwards means the lens can not go as much behind the mount, the distance to the sensor is unaffected.
Depends on the lens and the aperture, if you want a large aperture with for example the 85mm then it will never fit inside the K-mount.
Not sure if 50mm lenses go into the mount or not.
Beside that with new technology you can make a mirror that doesn't move.
Think about SLT of sony but then DSLR and with mirror that can change his state.
Electrochromic mirror they are called, i'm not sure how fast they can switch at the moment but if it's the same as electrochromic glass then there might be something in it.
Beside that the shutter can be replaced with LCD shutter, they can't reach 1/8000 but 1/1000 so not real improvement in that sense but it eliminates 1 more moving and this is your new x-sync shutter speed.
This might be great for the next 645D maybe, eliminating the large shutter will reduce vibration a lot.
Originally posted by drougge You need a wider mount for very fast lenses, but since Pentax makes no lenses that reach the limit of the current mount that hardly seems like something they consider a problem. (But per my argument above you don't need it closer to the sensor, but you may want it for other reasons, like thinner cameras.)
The 50mm f/1.2 does and the 85mm f/1.4 and most likely also the very long primes and zooms.
But those are FF lenses, now if you want a FF equivalent of those lenses on APS-C what must you do then?
Originally posted by drougge Canon actually has a slightly larger minimum distance between the sensor and lens than Pentax, it's just the mount that is closer. (Lots of M42 lenses hit the mirror on the 5D, but do not on any Pentax cameras (including old FF film cameras).)
thanks for that info, what mount are you talking about?