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01-18-2008, 05:47 PM   #31
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is the euro not stronger than the dollar anymore?

i plugged it into a converter as well and it came out to roughly 1900 usd

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QuoteOriginally posted by MJB DIGITAL Quote
dudes
is the euro not stronger than the dollar anymore?

i plugged it into a converter as well and it came out to roughly 1900 usd
It is, I don't think I've ever seen the dollar so low compared to Danish Kroner and EUR before, but just about everything is more expensive here. Granted I'm in Denmark, where it seems to be extra expensive, but here are a few price examples:

Pentax K10D, body only: $1023
Nikon D300, body only: $ 2360

Canon EOS 1D MK3: $5420

The prices above are the cheapest I could find online.

And these are of course always fun:
1 gallon of gas: $7.8
180% registration tax on vehicles.
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The Euro is stronger than the dollar but they also have a bunch of taxes etc. on top of everything. Thata why most camera companies say it will be the same number in Euro/pounds (GB) as it is in USD
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Ahhh, ive just figured out why our local prices are so high! The NZ retailers are basing their list prices on the European market. When i convert the euro to nzd its pretty much even across the board. 1299 euro is roughly NZD$2,500 which as blend8 pointed out is 200-300 ontop of what the k10 was when it hit our market ($1900-$2200). Thats about the same price as the 40d is here and still cheaper then a s5 pro or d300. Hell that sounds like a bargain for the (rumoured)specs.

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QuoteOriginally posted by offertonhatter Quote
I would say that if the K20D is that price, then it is coming in above the K10D. So logic range would say the following:-

K100D super - to rival the D40 and 350D(XTi)
K200D - to be above the 400D and D40x and to rival the A200 and E-510
K10D - To be a rival to the 40D (although far superior) and the D80 (D90?)
K20D - to rival the D300, E-3 and A700 (maybe the 5D) but at less cost.

But of course Pentax won't think of this..........:-)
They could have, but they don't have the production capacity still to continue offering the K100D/K10D while making the K200D/K20D.
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Hmm, If that's the pricing it had better be 4-5fps with 1/250 flash sync, 1/8000 max shutter and a 15-20 RAW buffer. If it comes in with the K10D shutter, fps and a ~10 RAW buffer that's simply too much cash.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MJB DIGITAL Quote
dudes
is the euro not stronger than the dollar anymore?

i plugged it into a converter as well and it came out to roughly 1900 usd

Yes, the US Dollar is about $1.48 to 1 Euro. Still, when comparing the prices for electronics and other such goods in Europe versus USA, prices are usually MUCH better in USA than in Europe, hence the K10d kit I saw yesterday and another last week topping 800 Euro, which seems to be the going rate here, compare the $750 +/- or so in the US.
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For US you shouldn't consider VAT?

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Hmm. What the hell are Pentax thinking? It's not just €300 more than K10D at it's introduction but it's €200 more than Canon 40D costs now! Well, for such price it must be way better than Nikon D300 and must simply demolish Canon 40D. It can't be just K10D with new sensor and LiveView. It must have new much improved metering system, new much better AF system, both of which outperform Nikon D300. And this new 14 megapixel CMOS sensor must wipe the floor with Sony 12 and Canon 10 megapixel CMOS sensors. Otherwise K20D will be big dissapointment. Honestly, I doubt K20D will able to do that...

Also interesting how much they will ask for K200D. Looking at supposed K20D price I would guess they will price K200D not less than K10D costs now. But in that case Pentax simply won't have competitive entry level camera which costs in the area of €500. And if they price K200D ~€500 and discontinue K10D, price difference between K200D and K20D (€1300 and considering that K10D is discontinued) is too large, they must slot something inbetween.

Hmm, you know, if K20D will be priced at €1300, K10D won't loose its resale value anytime soon. Probably those in USA which can get rabate for K10D now will be able to sell it a few months later for more than they paid for it.

Really, I am not impressed...

Those who don't have K10D rush to shops and get it until it's not too late...
Well, if the camera sales for the same price than 40D/A700, I really don't see why it should "demolish" or "wipe the floor" with them?

But it will of course have to be at least on par with them to be competitive.

That gives us a rough estimate of the minimal features it should have:

-5 fps min in all settings (the 40D is at 6fps in 14bits RAW, the A700 at 5);
-1/8000s shutter with X sync. at 1/250s;
-Good ISO 1600, useable ISO 3200 with maybe a setting for ISO 6400 in case of emergency. No banding whatsoever (the 40D has some HPN in high ISO if underexposed but it's very faint);
-Faster AF than K10 in all conditions and predictive AF tracking + f2.8 center AF sensor; That's a big leap but I don't see why it would necessarily have to be even better than D300 (D300 being IMO in a higher class);
-LV (A700 doesn't);

This is just to be competitive but Pentax could add a few goodies that would set them appart (some of them are a given since they are already on K10):
-AF enabled LV for a truely useful LV;
-Some higher fps mode with some compromise on IQ;
-More customizable interface;
-The AE modes we have on K10;
-Better sensor cleaning tech.;
-full weathersealing (40D is only partial);
-More MP giving additional resolution with good glass at lower ISO;
- a few other surprises?


With the K10, they had the argument that it was priced like a 400D but with features more like a 30D. This will not be true anymore so they have at least to be on par with 40D but not necessarily to be of a higher class.

If we want Pentax to stay profitable, we must accept that for the same price, they will produce equally good cameras than the other, only with the small convenient differences that could be called the "Pentax touch"
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1299 Euro is what Pentax field sales is telling atm.
The price is possibly not 100% fixed yet.
At IFA last year they said, it will be 1400 Euro, now it is 1300 Euro.
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QuoteOriginally posted by offertonhatter:
knowing the the exchange rate between euros and Pounds 1299 euro would be about £800
Sorry to disappoint, but the exchange rate is rather different at: 1299.00 Euro = GPB 970.00, nearly GBP 200 more!
(XE.com - The World's Favorite Currency and Foreign Exchange Site)

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Well, if the camera sales for the same price than 40D/A700, I really don't see why it should "demolish" or "wipe the floor" with them?
Do you really believe that people will prefer Pentax instead of Canon/Nikon/Sony? No. If Pentax want to sell cameras they must either price them less than competition or their cameras must be much better than competition at the same price.
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That is pretty expensive. Maybe let some people buy it and test it all out. Sure the complaints would come pretty quick.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Edvinas Quote
Do you really believe that people will prefer Pentax instead of Canon/Nikon/Sony? No. If Pentax want to sell cameras they must either price them less than competition or their cameras must be much better than competition at the same price.
This holds true in my area. For the past couple of weeks I have been bringing up Pentax to people in the "photo club" in my area and they look at me like I am insane. They all praise Canon and Nikon. There is only 1 store here that carries Pentax and they do not seem to budge off the introductory price. I was there a couple of weeks ago and a lady came in and demanded to see a Canon XTI. The sales person tried to show her a Pentax and she would have nothing to do with it as if it were a generic camera. I am sold on the Pentax and will end up with one before the 31st of this month but I just do not see them taking off, around my area. We have only 2 major electronics stores, BestBuy and Circuit City, which neither carry Pentax DSLR's in store. You walk in and all they have is a shrine for Canon and Nikon. I hope Pentax has some sort of plan in place to push these in those large retail outlets or in my area they won't have much of a chance, especially with a hefty price tag. Ever since I have been interested in a camera it seems everywhere I go there is a soccer mom with a Canon or Nikon with the "kit" lens.
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I hope Pentax has some sort of plan in place to push these in those large retail outlets or in my area they won't have much of a chance, especially with a hefty price tag. Ever since I have been interested in a camera it seems everywhere I go there is a soccer mom with a Canon or Nikon with the "kit" lens.
Last year Canon took 50 sales staff from Future Shop stores across Canada, flew them to Toronto all expenses paid ...had a workshop on Canon Cameras and gave each a black XTi to take home.

Now which brand do you think those kids will be pushing?

Cheers, Mike.
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