Looks Like Rumors Of A New Flash Are True

LFLee · 06-21-2012, 03:52 PM

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense?
like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic?

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

**Aristophanes** · 06-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense?
like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic?

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

You already have a WR flash built into the K-5, K-30, etc.

aurele · 06-21-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense?
like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic?

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

to take picture in the mud, and with big clouds

parsons · 06-21-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense?
like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic?

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

It might make a interesting effect, like a mirrorball perhaps or a rainbow

jonhock · 06-21-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I'll hope that the new flashes will be next to wheater sealed also running on the D-Li90 battery pack, since that is a very powerfull battery.

Here Ron, try this link; ww.mygrocerystore.com . They specialize in weather sealing for many types of portable electronics (they are in the "baggy" aisle)

Concerning the batteries- I think that they should use the D-L150's. I already have six of them for my K10D and wouldn't have to buy any! In the meantime I'll just use my Metz 44 AF-1
and 48 AF-1 which I have a bunch of Energizer Rechargable AA batteries for. I had used the same batteries in my AF280T's and my AF200T (which both worked very well on my k10 )
The Energizers (yeah, the bunny batteries) are fantastic with fast (that's spelled "F-A-S-T!")recharges and they last forever. I've never ran them dead or even "down" a little, I recharge them according to the calender just as a precaution against DBS (deadbatterysyndrome) !
The focus issue I speak of is that I've already had my k10 w/tamron 28-200 focus on the raindrops instead of what I was actually aiming for

Quote>glanglois<
"I have trouble getting parts for my 1953 Studebaker but I'm not counting on a new model hitting the dealerships any time soon ...."

I have the same problem with my 1962 Rambler

(my 1st car)

TomTextura · 06-21-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by parsons

Originally posted by LFLee

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash?

It might make a interesting effect, like a mirrorball perhaps or a rainbow

An idea from Jim Richardson on Taking Photos in the Rain -- National Geographic
"Pop just a little flash. Huh? No, really, I mean it. Your flash will light up the raindrops, usually a bad thing because it will pump out way too much light as it tries to light up your subject. You don’t want that. But turn it way down (like -3.0 stops) and it will add just a little pop to the raindrops. This technique is tricky; you’ll have to experiment. Maybe it won’t work at all, but if it does, it can be quite magical. (Also works on snowflakes sometimes.)"

An example from TOUGEFC comes to mind:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/73997-da-club-66.html#post1910655

Allison · 06-21-2012, 07:53 PM

I am all for a new flash. I like my 540, but it is way quirky compared to some friends on the Nikon system. The battery thing, I don't really care. If they do go with using a camera battery in it, I hope they also have a power pack that is available that would allow for AA. Sometimes throwing in some AAs are just more convenient.

But seriously, if they have the right features on them, I would sell my 540 and buy two of the new flash.

**loveisageless** · 06-21-2012, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by iCrop

This thread

I've e-mailed C.R.I.S. about it and their reply was "From your description, this is not something we have seen or heard of before and would suggest that you send in the units for a free evaluation."

The flash was being powered by the TR Power Pack-3 at the time. The Power Pack is under warranty, the flash is not. I'm hoping that there was a problem with the Power Pack that caused the problem with the flash, and they'll repair both under the Power Pack warranty. I do a lot of hoping some times...

I remember seeing recently a Pentax flash being discounted in the Market Place due to melting attributed to a defective Power Pack. Seems reasonable if it was the pack's fault that both the pack and the flash should be fixed under warranty.

RonHendriks1966 · 06-22-2012, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by aurele

to take picture in the mud, and with big clouds

You mean mudwrestling in the rain pictures?

google yourself

aurele · 06-22-2012, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

You mean mudwrestling in the rain pictures?

LMAO !

this one gave me a good laugh !

DaveBlack · 06-22-2012, 02:39 PM

Mud wrestling in the rain is a very good reason. My reason is for my cave photography.

Rupert · 06-22-2012, 06:07 PM

I'm still waiting for a decent owners manual on the 540 and 360 flash units....ones that recognize that Pentax has actually moved in to the digital world and is written in language relating to digital and actually makes some sense on the flash operations.
I think it was 4-5 years ago over on DPR that old Ned said he was working on that problem.......so if he is working on the new flashes too, and you are holding your breath in anticipation, you will most likely be dead before they arrive in reality.

'Regards!

richard balonglong · 06-22-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

If using a direct flash when it's raining, it's not recommended. But, when using the flash off the camera, that's awesome.
Here's one of my example to show why he (also me) needs a weather sealed flash...

Here, I have to cover my set of external flash with transparent plastic bag to protect it from the rain. There are more photo-opts where a weather sealed flash is needed to bring out the creative use of flashes...

Blue · 06-22-2012, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense?
like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic?

Why do you need a weather seal flash?

There is more to having weather sealing than just rain such as high humidity or just if you get caught out you don't have to worry about putting it away immediately. Then again maybe some people like having to put their ~$450 flash in the cloths drier.

On a serious note, some times the rain is intermittent or light drizzle. Same thing for snow. Rain forests, wet environments is also a possibility with nature or macro.

TomTextura · 06-22-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Blue

There is more to having weather sealing than just rain such as high humidity or just if you get caught out you don't have to worry about putting it away immediately. Then again maybe some people like having to put their ~$450 flash in the cloths drier. On a serious note, some times the rain is intermittent or light drizzle. Same thing for snow. Rain forests, wet environments is also a possibility with nature or macro.

Exactly! I can think of plenty of situations when a WR flash would be nice. I know Canon has the 600EX that's WR but not sure if Nikon has one. That Canon is insanely priced though, hope Pentax doesn't follow their lead on pricing.

06-21-2012, 06:06 PM	#20
jonhock Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Pennsylvania, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 420	WR, Batteries, and focus issues? Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I'll hope that the new flashes will be next to wheater sealed also running on the D-Li90 battery pack, since that is a very powerfull battery. Here Ron, try this link; ww.mygrocerystore.com . They specialize in weather sealing for many types of portable electronics (they are in the "baggy" aisle) Concerning the batteries- I think that they should use the D-L150's. I already have six of them for my K10D and wouldn't have to buy any! In the meantime I'll just use my Metz 44 AF-1 and 48 AF-1 which I have a bunch of Energizer Rechargable AA batteries for. I had used the same batteries in my AF280T's and my AF200T (which both worked very well on my k10 ) The Energizers (yeah, the bunny batteries) are fantastic with fast (that's spelled "F-A-S-T!")recharges and they last forever. I've never ran them dead or even "down" a little, I recharge them according to the calender just as a precaution against DBS (deadbatterysyndrome) ! The focus issue I speak of is that I've already had my k10 w/tamron 28-200 focus on the raindrops instead of what I was actually aiming for Quote>glanglois< "I have trouble getting parts for my 1953 Studebaker but I'm not counting on a new model hitting the dealerships any time soon ...." I have the same problem with my 1962 Rambler(my 1st car)

06-22-2012, 07:58 PM	#28
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	Originally posted by LFLee Why do you need a weather seal flash? If using a direct flash when it's raining, it's not recommended. But, when using the flash off the camera, that's awesome. Here's one of my example to show why he (also me) needs a weather sealed flash... Here, I have to cover my set of external flash with transparent plastic bag to protect it from the rain. There are more photo-opts where a weather sealed flash is needed to bring out the creative use of flashes... Last edited by richard balonglong; 06-22-2012 at 08:14 PM.

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06-21-2012, 03:52 PM	#16
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash?

06-21-2012, 04:12 PM	#17
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by LFLee A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash? You already have a WR flash built into the K-5, K-30, etc.

06-21-2012, 04:27 PM	#18
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by LFLee A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash? to take picture in the mud, and with big clouds

06-21-2012, 05:02 PM	#19
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by LFLee A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash? It might make a interesting effect, like a mirrorball perhaps or a rainbow

06-21-2012, 07:45 PM	#21
TomTextura Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Denver Photos: Albums Posts: 570	Originally posted by parsons Originally posted by LFLee A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash? It might make a interesting effect, like a mirrorball perhaps or a rainbow An idea from Jim Richardson on Taking Photos in the Rain -- National Geographic "Pop just a little flash. Huh? No, really, I mean it. Your flash will light up the raindrops, usually a bad thing because it will pump out way too much light as it tries to light up your subject. You don’t want that. But turn it way down (like -3.0 stops) and it will add just a little pop to the raindrops. This technique is tricky; you’ll have to experiment. Maybe it won’t work at all, but if it does, it can be quite magical. (Also works on snowflakes sometimes.)" An example from TOUGEFC comes to mind: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/73997-da-club-66.html#post1910655

06-21-2012, 07:53 PM	#22
Allison Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 667	I am all for a new flash. I like my 540, but it is way quirky compared to some friends on the Nikon system. The battery thing, I don't really care. If they do go with using a camera battery in it, I hope they also have a power pack that is available that would allow for AA. Sometimes throwing in some AAs are just more convenient. But seriously, if they have the right features on them, I would sell my 540 and buy two of the new flash.

06-21-2012, 10:33 PM	#23
loveisageless Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oakland, California Photos: Albums Posts: 1,250	Originally posted by iCrop This thread I've e-mailed C.R.I.S. about it and their reply was "From your description, this is not something we have seen or heard of before and would suggest that you send in the units for a free evaluation." The flash was being powered by the TR Power Pack-3 at the time. The Power Pack is under warranty, the flash is not. I'm hoping that there was a problem with the Power Pack that caused the problem with the flash, and they'll repair both under the Power Pack warranty. I do a lot of hoping some times... I remember seeing recently a Pentax flash being discounted in the Market Place due to melting attributed to a defective Power Pack. Seems reasonable if it was the pack's fault that both the pack and the flash should be fixed under warranty.

06-22-2012, 02:28 AM	#24
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by aurele to take picture in the mud, and with big clouds You mean mudwrestling in the rain pictures? google yourself

06-22-2012, 03:19 AM	#25
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 You mean mudwrestling in the rain pictures? LMAO ! this one gave me a good laugh !

06-22-2012, 02:39 PM	#26
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Mud wrestling in the rain is a very good reason. My reason is for my cave photography.

06-22-2012, 06:07 PM	#27
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	I'm still waiting for a decent owners manual on the 540 and 360 flash units....ones that recognize that Pentax has actually moved in to the digital world and is written in language relating to digital and actually makes some sense on the flash operations. I think it was 4-5 years ago over on DPR that old Ned said he was working on that problem.......so if he is working on the new flashes too, and you are holding your breath in anticipation, you will most likely be dead before they arrive in reality. 'Regards!

06-22-2012, 09:23 PM	#29
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by LFLee A weather seal flash .... quite doesn't make sense? like, if it is raining (or snowing), and you use flash, isn't the rain drops reflect the flash and ruin the pic? Why do you need a weather seal flash? There is more to having weather sealing than just rain such as high humidity or just if you get caught out you don't have to worry about putting it away immediately. Then again maybe some people like having to put their ~$450 flash in the cloths drier. On a serious note, some times the rain is intermittent or light drizzle. Same thing for snow. Rain forests, wet environments is also a possibility with nature or macro.

06-22-2012, 09:36 PM	#30
TomTextura Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Denver Photos: Albums Posts: 570	Originally posted by Blue There is more to having weather sealing than just rain such as high humidity or just if you get caught out you don't have to worry about putting it away immediately. Then again maybe some people like having to put their ~$450 flash in the cloths drier. On a serious note, some times the rain is intermittent or light drizzle. Same thing for snow. Rain forests, wet environments is also a possibility with nature or macro. Exactly! I can think of plenty of situations when a WR flash would be nice. I know Canon has the 600EX that's WR but not sure if Nikon has one. That Canon is insanely priced though, hope Pentax doesn't follow their lead on pricing.