Originally posted by Unsinkable II Hmmm.... Ricoh's turnover was more than 4X Hoya's in 2010, yet Hoya made more than 30% more profit than Ricoh...
They are in entirely different segments. Completely and totally different segments.
"Hoya is a Japanese multinational company and the leading supplier of innovative precision products based on its optics technologies. Hoya is active in the fields of Life Care and Information Technology providing eyeglasses, medical endoscopic system, intraocular lenses, optical lenses as well as key components for the semiconductor devices, LCD panels and HDDs."
Ricoh on the other hand is a much more retail type of company. They make copiers, printers, and other office products and things that are sold to the mass market, whereas Hoya sells stuff to specialized industries. Its two different, entirely different things.
Its comparing apples and oranges. One is in a higher (much higher) margin business and has substantial exposure to the medical field which is why they even took over Pentax to start with from what I can tell...they were trying to apply the imaging segment to their medical division, and IMO didn't really care all that much about consumer products such as cameras. Ricoh on the other hand is at the mercy of the broader retail level economy.
But when it comes to selling cameras in a retail environment who is going to be better? There is no comparison.
So Ricoh has a lot more revenue, but overall profit margins in Hoya were higher.
Hoya's ADR's were are selling for US $22.11 today with a market cap of $9.54B,
Ricoh's ADR's were are selling for US $37.24 today with a market cap of $5.40B
Ricoh Co Ltd (ADR): OTC:RICOY quotes & news - Google Finance HOYA CORPORATION (ADR): PINK:HOCPY quotes & news - Google Finance Originally posted by Unsinkable II "what little I read..." sums that up nicely.
Now if you want to try and be a jackass we can play that too.
In the end the strategic view of the company "Pentax" will change drastically...
You have a company that primarily specialized in 'science and medical' that took over a camera company to exploit their 'optics' for that purpose....and retail selling isn't in their DNA....
NOW they are taken over by a company where they are PRIMARILY a retail type company, retail being defined as selling to mass markets of small to big businesses and even on to consumer level products.
In my opinion it won't even be close. As far as cameras go Pentax has been sorely mismanaged for the last several years.
I don't see any reason why anyone should be anything but excited by the take over by Ricoh. They are infinitely more superior to Hoya for the things we here are after. Everything from marketing and sales channels on to producing consumer level products... its not even close...
The two companies are playing two different games...