Remember the UFO thread...

Mats · 01-25-2008, 04:00 AM

Remember the UFO spotted in Brisbane....

123K10D posted

" This is what I saw. Last Sunday (at dusk) a very slick wedding photog crew - 3 photogs/1 video op. Two of the photogs had Nikon D3's, and even though the light was low, these things were hammering out shots - like 6 - 8 per second - probably ISO6400 and their 2.8 zooms.

Anyway, the third photog didn't have all the extra camera gear that the Nikon shooters had (shoulder bag thingies) and something around their necks plus headsets - like the CIA :-). He just had a camera which I'd never seen before... The new Pentax ('one' of the new models anyway).

At first I saw the back and thought it could be a D300 with a battery grip, but then I saw the front, with the Pentax logo and a DA* 50-135 on it. Cool! Anyway, all I can tell you is this:

Compared to my K10D, this was what stood out:

It has a big screen at the back.

Couldn't tell if it had a battery grip, or if it was moulded into the body, like the D3.

It was shooting at the same speed as the D3's (or near enough) - very, very fast FPS.

The weirdest bit was this - the D3 shooters were chimping every now and then. But the Pentax shooter didn't chimp once, in the 5 minutes I saw him shoot god knows how many shots, he didn't check a single frame - from the back at least - maybe he was reviewing them in the viewfinder? Don't know. And this guy was the lead photog, he got first dibs at every op, and the others all deferred to him.

If you're wondering why I didn't walk up and go "hey man! cool, is that the new K something?" - you should have seen these guys (and one girl on one of the D3's) - they looked like they were at the end of the longest day of their lives. I've never seen a group of people look less happy making a living. And they were sticking like glue to this very rich looking wedding party - not exactly an opportune time to strike up a conversation.

Wasn't going to post this, because I thought, "what the hell would Pentax be doing, trialing a new camera in Brisbane, Australia?.. nope, I saw what I saw, and the DA*50-135 is a VERY distinctive lens - which I have actually used.

If you think this is fiction, good, because I would if I'd have read this - but I saw what I saw. And I've been seriously considering getting a Nikon D3 for it's FPS and low light ability (starting to sell photos now, and pet photography is where I want to go - so, action shots in poor light are typical) - after seeing what I saw on the weekend, I'm going to put the idea on hold until Pentax anounces their new gear - hopefully, it will be cheaper than Nikons."

And Big Ben replied

"Like in the X-Files, That was a real UFO you saw...I know because I saw the same UFO only really close up. Like I said, Pentax are really going to shake up the market. Of course there will be those that will bitch about stuff that really doesn't matter that much in terms of real front line usage. I mean, when I shoot, I want to forget I'm holding a camera. My idea of a good camera is when I forget I am holding a camera. The more transparent it is in its use the better. The new Pentax is one of those cameras that get very close to that ideal. Not perfect, but what is?

Yup, from the sound of it, you saw the holy grail. Just remember the old adage, "always keep your eyes on the other hand than that which is doing the trick" or something like that."

So what is in that other hand (assuming we all were watching the K20D hand) that should really shake up the market?
The K1D might not be that far away..

/Mats

darthkir · 01-25-2008, 08:55 AM

Thank goodness you brought this up. I am also interested to know which model ben was referring to, is it the k20d or the possible k1d? The way it sound it couldnt be the k20d...

ricardobeat · 01-25-2008, 09:58 AM

I believe Ben was talking about confidence in letting the camera handle the image. Perfect exposure and AWB, with great dynamic range. That's why you don't need to take your eyes off of the VF. :]

He even predicted the complaints about the AF and burst speed. You see, it was all coming from our own mind

Andrew Faires · 01-25-2008, 10:10 AM

I'm not holding my breath for anything in the next 1-1.5 years (though I hope I'm wrong). Pentax has said they'd like to have 3 levels of camera but aren't going to compete with Canon/Nikon for the time....which to me sounds like a k1d or k2d or whatever they call it won't happen for a while (see the tread on the British Journal of Photography).

I suspect it was a k20D that was seen and all cameras at that wedding were bombing along at 3 fps, tops.

**note, I'll gladly eat my words if I'm proven wrong

**

Mats · 01-25-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by ricardobeat

I believe Ben was talking about confidence in letting the camera handle the image. Perfect exposure and AWB, with great dynamic range. That's why you don't need to take your eyes off of the VF. :]

He even predicted the complaints about the AF and burst speed. You see, it was all coming from our own mind

I have read some reviews of Nikon D3 and one of the points that are mentioned often is the confidence that the photographer has in the D3. If K20D beats D3 in that area we should all be very pleased.
/Mats

vinzer · 01-25-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Mats

I have read some reviews of Nikon D3 and one of the points that are mentioned often is the confidence that the photographer has in the D3. If K20D beats D3 in that area we should all be very pleased.
/Mats

I think confidence comes from the photographer knowing his/her craft and knowing his/her camera well enough to be able to shoot with the ideal settings for the shot in mind.

I'm sure that if I had a D3, I'd still be looking at the LCD after every shot I took, mainly because I'm not that good enough of a photographer just yet, and because I still need the time to familiarize myself with the D3's tendencies and such.

This is probably true for all camera and photographer combinations.

01-25-2008, 04:00 AM	#1
Mats Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 60	Remember the UFO thread... Remember the UFO spotted in Brisbane.... 123K10D posted " This is what I saw. Last Sunday (at dusk) a very slick wedding photog crew - 3 photogs/1 video op. Two of the photogs had Nikon D3's, and even though the light was low, these things were hammering out shots - like 6 - 8 per second - probably ISO6400 and their 2.8 zooms. Anyway, the third photog didn't have all the extra camera gear that the Nikon shooters had (shoulder bag thingies) and something around their necks plus headsets - like the CIA :-). He just had a camera which I'd never seen before... The new Pentax ('one' of the new models anyway). At first I saw the back and thought it could be a D300 with a battery grip, but then I saw the front, with the Pentax logo and a DA* 50-135 on it. Cool! Anyway, all I can tell you is this: Compared to my K10D, this was what stood out: It has a big screen at the back. Couldn't tell if it had a battery grip, or if it was moulded into the body, like the D3. It was shooting at the same speed as the D3's (or near enough) - very, very fast FPS. The weirdest bit was this - the D3 shooters were chimping every now and then. But the Pentax shooter didn't chimp once, in the 5 minutes I saw him shoot god knows how many shots, he didn't check a single frame - from the back at least - maybe he was reviewing them in the viewfinder? Don't know. And this guy was the lead photog, he got first dibs at every op, and the others all deferred to him. If you're wondering why I didn't walk up and go "hey man! cool, is that the new K something?" - you should have seen these guys (and one girl on one of the D3's) - they looked like they were at the end of the longest day of their lives. I've never seen a group of people look less happy making a living. And they were sticking like glue to this very rich looking wedding party - not exactly an opportune time to strike up a conversation. Wasn't going to post this, because I thought, "what the hell would Pentax be doing, trialing a new camera in Brisbane, Australia?.. nope, I saw what I saw, and the DA50-135 is a VERY distinctive lens - which I have actually used. If you think this is fiction, good, because I would if I'd have read this - but I saw what I saw. And I've been seriously considering getting a Nikon D3 for it's FPS and low light ability (starting to sell photos now, and pet photography is where I want to go - so, action shots in poor light are typical) - after seeing what I saw on the weekend, I'm going to put the idea on hold until Pentax anounces their new gear - hopefully, it will be cheaper than Nikons." And Big Ben replied* "Like in the X-Files, That was a real UFO you saw...I know because I saw the same UFO only really close up. Like I said, Pentax are really going to shake up the market. Of course there will be those that will bitch about stuff that really doesn't matter that much in terms of real front line usage. I mean, when I shoot, I want to forget I'm holding a camera. My idea of a good camera is when I forget I am holding a camera. The more transparent it is in its use the better. The new Pentax is one of those cameras that get very close to that ideal. Not perfect, but what is? Yup, from the sound of it, you saw the holy grail. Just remember the old adage, "always keep your eyes on the other hand than that which is doing the trick" or something like that." So what is in that other hand (assuming we all were watching the K20D hand) that should really shake up the market? The K1D might not be that far away.. /Mats

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01-25-2008, 08:55 AM	#2
darthkir Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: MALAYSIA Photos: Gallery Posts: 26	Thank goodness you brought this up. I am also interested to know which model ben was referring to, is it the k20d or the possible k1d? The way it sound it couldnt be the k20d...

01-25-2008, 09:58 AM	#3
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	I believe Ben was talking about confidence in letting the camera handle the image. Perfect exposure and AWB, with great dynamic range. That's why you don't need to take your eyes off of the VF. :] He even predicted the complaints about the AF and burst speed. You see, it was all coming from our own mind

01-25-2008, 10:10 AM	#4
Andrew Faires Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 744	I'm not holding my breath for anything in the next 1-1.5 years (though I hope I'm wrong). Pentax has said they'd like to have 3 levels of camera but aren't going to compete with Canon/Nikon for the time....which to me sounds like a k1d or k2d or whatever they call it won't happen for a while (see the tread on the British Journal of Photography). I suspect it was a k20D that was seen and all cameras at that wedding were bombing along at 3 fps, tops. note, I'll gladly eat my words if I'm proven wrong

01-25-2008, 02:32 PM	#5
Mats Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 60 Original Poster	Originally posted by ricardobeat I believe Ben was talking about confidence in letting the camera handle the image. Perfect exposure and AWB, with great dynamic range. That's why you don't need to take your eyes off of the VF. :] He even predicted the complaints about the AF and burst speed. You see, it was all coming from our own mind I have read some reviews of Nikon D3 and one of the points that are mentioned often is the confidence that the photographer has in the D3. If K20D beats D3 in that area we should all be very pleased. /Mats

01-25-2008, 05:42 PM	#6
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by Mats I have read some reviews of Nikon D3 and one of the points that are mentioned often is the confidence that the photographer has in the D3. If K20D beats D3 in that area we should all be very pleased. /Mats I think confidence comes from the photographer knowing his/her craft and knowing his/her camera well enough to be able to shoot with the ideal settings for the shot in mind. I'm sure that if I had a D3, I'd still be looking at the LCD after every shot I took, mainly because I'm not that good enough of a photographer just yet, and because I still need the time to familiarize myself with the D3's tendencies and such. This is probably true for all camera and photographer combinations.