55-300mm vs. 18-250mm vs. 70-300mm

jms698 · 01-25-2008, 12:21 PM

Looking at the new lens lineup:

5 New Pentax Lenses - PhotographyBLOG

I'm puzzled by the $400 price for the 55-300mm lens. Why is it so expensive relative to the, in my opinion, much more versatile 18-250mm ($500) and the various very inexpensive 70-300mm lenses from Sigma and Tamron and Pentax's own 50-200mm offering? It doesn't seem to offer special features, such as SDM, and is quite a bit longer and bulkier than any of these other lenses. So what gives?

Is anyone planning to buy the 55-300?

offertonhatter · 01-25-2008, 12:29 PM

I would say that due to the reduced zoom range of the 55-300 over the 18-250, and possibly better optics, it commands a premium price. the 18-250 is in essence a tamron lens with pentax coatings, but the 55-300 seems to be a Pentax own model. It will be interesting to see how it compares with the Sigma 70-300 and the Sigma 70-300 APO lens which are very reasonably priced. It will be interesting.

Oh BTW I see you are a fellow manc, are you interested in a mini shoot at some point?

Fototim · 01-25-2008, 12:57 PM

55-300 is a heavier and larger beast.
To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple.

Tim

EDIT: Typo

jms698 · 01-25-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Fototim

55-300 is a heavier and larger breast.
To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple.

Tim

More optical quality maybe, but not more glass:

Pentax 55-300mm 12 elements in 8 groups
Tamron 70-300mm 13 elements in 9 groups
Pentax 18-250mm 16 elements in 13 groups
Pentax 50-200mm 11 elements in 10 groups

JMS · 01-25-2008, 01:55 PM

My bet is that it will not be priced anywhere near what the MSRP is.

frogger · 01-25-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Fototim

55-300 is a heavier and larger breast.
To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple.

Tim

Larger breasts? I guess I better start saving up.

Fototim · 01-25-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by frogger

Larger breasts? I guess I better start saving up.

LOL

Tim Typo

codiac2600 · 01-25-2008, 02:30 PM

It'll sell for $349 when it hits the market. At least thats what my slaes guide says

mechmike10 · 01-25-2008, 02:50 PM

This is another Pentax lens decision I don't understand. If I wanted an "all-in-one" lens and were willing to forego the wider angle of the 18-250 in favor of some additional telephoto length, I wouldn't be looking at a 55-300 for $400 (or $349) for that matter. I'd simply buy the Tamron 28-300 XR Di (about $380). Although it is a "full frame" lens, it is almost the same size as the 18-250, gives you the same telephoto length as the 55-300, and much better coverage on the wide angle side (42mm equivalent as opposed to 82mm equivalent). And, I'd wager that the overall image quality won't prove to be a whole lot different. I believe that a major benefit of these all-in-one lenses is that you don't need to change lenses so often, which cuts down the chance of getting dust on the sensor. It makes sense to have such a lens extend into wide angle territory, as much as possible. If you have a strictly telephoto zoom, it should have a serious telephoto length. For me, Pentax needs to get a longer telephoto zoom into the market; a clone of the Tokina 80-400 would be nice.

codiac2600 · 01-25-2008, 02:55 PM

The onloy thing you're no considering is the 55-300 is an extremely sharp lens and overlap wise provides the least amount of overlap with the new kit lens. The 55-300 is designed to be sharper edge to edge for the K20D and I don't think any of the Tamron super zooms will compete with contrast and sharpness with this lens. It's just my opinion but I loved it and the build quality is great.

ricardobeat · 01-25-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by mechmike10

This is another Pentax lens decision I don't understand. If I wanted an "all-in-one" lens and were willing to forego the wider angle of the 18-250 in favor of some additional telephoto length, I wouldn't be looking at a 55-300 for $400 (or $349) for that matter. I'd simply buy the Tamron 28-300 XR Di (about $380). Although it is a "full frame" lens, it is almost the same size as the 18-250, gives you the same telephoto length as the 55-300, and much better coverage on the wide angle side (42mm equivalent as opposed to 82mm equivalent). And, I'd wager that the overall image quality won't prove to be a whole lot different. I believe that a major benefit of these all-in-one lenses is that you don't need to change lenses so often, which cuts down the chance of getting dust on the sensor. It makes sense to have such a lens extend into wide angle territory, as much as possible. If you have a strictly telephoto zoom, it should have a serious telephoto length. For me, Pentax needs to get a longer telephoto zoom into the market; a clone of the Tokina 80-400 would be nice.

If the 55-300mm comes out as "comparable" to the Tamron, THAT would be a real shot in the foot. That lens is awfully soft after 200mm, and not great at any length. The 18-250 is much better but not stellar either. I think they're aiming for high quality glass, not just another consumer zoom.

raz · 01-25-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by ricardobeat

If the 55-300mm comes out as "comparable" to the Tamron, THAT would be a real shot in the foot. That lens is awfully soft after 200mm, and not great at any length. The 18-250 is much better but not stellar either. I think they're aiming for high quality glass, not just another consumer zoom.

you are talking about the 70-300 ? If yes, then is not in any way "awfully soft after 200mm", maybe you are talking about the sigma, but the tamron 70-300 has decent quality all over the range. It is not stellar but no soft either.
Here is a shot at 300mm f/5.6 no sharpening, no nothing

http://raz.ro/pentax/70-300/imgp6047.jpg

Kaimarx · 01-25-2008, 05:03 PM

If its being designed to match the new sensor than i would expect it to be of a much higher caliber than the lenses you have listed. The MKII (16mp) had the same effect on lesser lenses exposing flaws that were not otherwise apparent or at least minimal on a smaller pixel count.

MSM · 01-25-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by codiac2600

The onloy thing you're no considering is the 55-300 is an extremely sharp lens and overlap wise provides the least amount of overlap with the new kit lens. The 55-300 is designed to be sharper edge to edge for the K20D and I don't think any of the Tamron super zooms will compete with contrast and sharpness with this lens. It's just my opinion but I loved it and the build quality is great.

Chris: Would you consider this to be a good upgrade over the 50-200mm?? I am considering one of the two for occasional tele zoom. I've used the Canon 70-200mm f/4L in the past. Loved the IQ but not the size and weight.

mark

24X36NOW · 01-25-2008, 08:15 PM

Once you go beyond a 3:1 zoom ratio, image quality tends to suffer. I'd rather have lenses that keep the more conservative zoom ratio and exhibit high image quality throughout their range than the "do everything" wide to long tele types that are implemented only by accepting too much image quality compromise. They can keep the variable aperture crap too - I don't want to have to interpolate to figure out what damn f-stop I'm at after I've got the correct exposure from my hand-held incident light meter

01-25-2008, 12:21 PM	#1
jms698 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 133	55-300mm vs. 18-250mm vs. 70-300mm Looking at the new lens lineup: 5 New Pentax Lenses - PhotographyBLOG I'm puzzled by the $400 price for the 55-300mm lens. Why is it so expensive relative to the, in my opinion, much more versatile 18-250mm ($500) and the various very inexpensive 70-300mm lenses from Sigma and Tamron and Pentax's own 50-200mm offering? It doesn't seem to offer special features, such as SDM, and is quite a bit longer and bulkier than any of these other lenses. So what gives? Is anyone planning to buy the 55-300?

01-25-2008, 12:57 PM	#3
Fototim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 268	55-300 is a heavier and larger beast. To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple. Tim EDIT: Typo Last edited by Fototim; 01-25-2008 at 02:25 PM.

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01-25-2008, 12:29 PM	#2
offertonhatter Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North West UK Posts: 390	I would say that due to the reduced zoom range of the 55-300 over the 18-250, and possibly better optics, it commands a premium price. the 18-250 is in essence a tamron lens with pentax coatings, but the 55-300 seems to be a Pentax own model. It will be interesting to see how it compares with the Sigma 70-300 and the Sigma 70-300 APO lens which are very reasonably priced. It will be interesting. Oh BTW I see you are a fellow manc, are you interested in a mini shoot at some point?

01-25-2008, 01:24 PM	#4
jms698 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 133 Original Poster	Originally posted by Fototim 55-300 is a heavier and larger breast. To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple. Tim More optical quality maybe, but not more glass: Pentax 55-300mm 12 elements in 8 groups Tamron 70-300mm 13 elements in 9 groups Pentax 18-250mm 16 elements in 13 groups Pentax 50-200mm 11 elements in 10 groups

01-25-2008, 01:55 PM	#5
JMS Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 273	My bet is that it will not be priced anywhere near what the MSRP is.

01-25-2008, 02:08 PM	#6
frogger Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON, CA Posts: 162	Originally posted by Fototim 55-300 is a heavier and larger breast. To me, this suggests more glass and better optical quality. I think it is that simple. Tim Larger breasts? I guess I better start saving up.

01-25-2008, 02:24 PM	#7
Fototim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 268	Originally posted by frogger Larger breasts? I guess I better start saving up. LOL Tim Typo

01-25-2008, 02:30 PM	#8
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	It'll sell for $349 when it hits the market. At least thats what my slaes guide says

01-25-2008, 02:50 PM	#9
mechmike10 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Posts: 176	This is another Pentax lens decision I don't understand. If I wanted an "all-in-one" lens and were willing to forego the wider angle of the 18-250 in favor of some additional telephoto length, I wouldn't be looking at a 55-300 for $400 (or $349) for that matter. I'd simply buy the Tamron 28-300 XR Di (about $380). Although it is a "full frame" lens, it is almost the same size as the 18-250, gives you the same telephoto length as the 55-300, and much better coverage on the wide angle side (42mm equivalent as opposed to 82mm equivalent). And, I'd wager that the overall image quality won't prove to be a whole lot different. I believe that a major benefit of these all-in-one lenses is that you don't need to change lenses so often, which cuts down the chance of getting dust on the sensor. It makes sense to have such a lens extend into wide angle territory, as much as possible. If you have a strictly telephoto zoom, it should have a serious telephoto length. For me, Pentax needs to get a longer telephoto zoom into the market; a clone of the Tokina 80-400 would be nice.

01-25-2008, 02:55 PM	#10
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	The onloy thing you're no considering is the 55-300 is an extremely sharp lens and overlap wise provides the least amount of overlap with the new kit lens. The 55-300 is designed to be sharper edge to edge for the K20D and I don't think any of the Tamron super zooms will compete with contrast and sharpness with this lens. It's just my opinion but I loved it and the build quality is great.

01-25-2008, 04:30 PM	#11
ricardobeat Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 376	Originally posted by mechmike10 This is another Pentax lens decision I don't understand. If I wanted an "all-in-one" lens and were willing to forego the wider angle of the 18-250 in favor of some additional telephoto length, I wouldn't be looking at a 55-300 for $400 (or $349) for that matter. I'd simply buy the Tamron 28-300 XR Di (about $380). Although it is a "full frame" lens, it is almost the same size as the 18-250, gives you the same telephoto length as the 55-300, and much better coverage on the wide angle side (42mm equivalent as opposed to 82mm equivalent). And, I'd wager that the overall image quality won't prove to be a whole lot different. I believe that a major benefit of these all-in-one lenses is that you don't need to change lenses so often, which cuts down the chance of getting dust on the sensor. It makes sense to have such a lens extend into wide angle territory, as much as possible. If you have a strictly telephoto zoom, it should have a serious telephoto length. For me, Pentax needs to get a longer telephoto zoom into the market; a clone of the Tokina 80-400 would be nice. If the 55-300mm comes out as "comparable" to the Tamron, THAT would be a real shot in the foot. That lens is awfully soft after 200mm, and not great at any length. The 18-250 is much better but not stellar either. I think they're aiming for high quality glass, not just another consumer zoom.

01-25-2008, 04:39 PM	#12
raz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Timisoara, Romania Posts: 248	Originally posted by ricardobeat If the 55-300mm comes out as "comparable" to the Tamron, THAT would be a real shot in the foot. That lens is awfully soft after 200mm, and not great at any length. The 18-250 is much better but not stellar either. I think they're aiming for high quality glass, not just another consumer zoom. you are talking about the 70-300 ? If yes, then is not in any way "awfully soft after 200mm", maybe you are talking about the sigma, but the tamron 70-300 has decent quality all over the range. It is not stellar but no soft either. Here is a shot at 300mm f/5.6 no sharpening, no nothing http://raz.ro/pentax/70-300/imgp6047.jpg

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01-25-2008, 05:03 PM	#13
Kaimarx Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Auckland Photos: Gallery Posts: 452	If its being designed to match the new sensor than i would expect it to be of a much higher caliber than the lenses you have listed. The MKII (16mp) had the same effect on lesser lenses exposing flaws that were not otherwise apparent or at least minimal on a smaller pixel count.

01-25-2008, 05:53 PM	#14
MSM Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Photos: Gallery Posts: 994	Originally posted by codiac2600 The onloy thing you're no considering is the 55-300 is an extremely sharp lens and overlap wise provides the least amount of overlap with the new kit lens. The 55-300 is designed to be sharper edge to edge for the K20D and I don't think any of the Tamron super zooms will compete with contrast and sharpness with this lens. It's just my opinion but I loved it and the build quality is great. Chris: Would you consider this to be a good upgrade over the 50-200mm?? I am considering one of the two for occasional tele zoom. I've used the Canon 70-200mm f/4L in the past. Loved the IQ but not the size and weight. mark

01-25-2008, 08:15 PM	#15
24X36NOW Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CT, USA Posts: 498	Once you go beyond a 3:1 zoom ratio, image quality tends to suffer. I'd rather have lenses that keep the more conservative zoom ratio and exhibit high image quality throughout their range than the "do everything" wide to long tele types that are implemented only by accepting too much image quality compromise. They can keep the variable aperture crap too - I don't want to have to interpolate to figure out what damn f-stop I'm at after I've got the correct exposure from my hand-held incident light meter