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08-29-2012, 04:49 PM   #586
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Design style should not get in the way of ergonomics. If it doesn't, then the thing that's reflected in your response (to the design) is your taste and/or the quality of the design aesthetic. Most people's tastes tend to have to be conditioned (or 'educated') through exposure (no pun intended but I'll take it) and it would be interesting to make a poll where we could ascertain the number of people who have changed their attitude to the K-01. It's always fascinating that people put themselves above professionals in the arts without reservation and with such confidence that they actually know better.

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Perhaps a mirrorless 645D-01 will be released at PT.

That's a serious way to lower costs and size of the MF without having to resort to a 135 format. But I doubt many could afford the lenses just the same.
You are overestimating the cost of the prism and the mirror. $50 cost and then I'm being generous.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jogiba Quote
24mp APS-C DSLRs are a dime a dozen and can't be compared to a FF 24mp sensor DSLR.
Sony Alpha SLT-A65 DSLR Digital Camera with 18-55mm Lens
Wait with that comparison til the time we can actually compare them....
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My post was meant to be 1/2 joking but as usual a smiley is never enough.

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My post was meant to be 1/2 joking but as usual a smiley is never enough.
...you never know on this forums even with a smiley...
08-30-2012, 12:38 AM   #591
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Japanese Pentax-Ricoh site has no such lens.
08-30-2012, 01:06 AM   #592
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MF isn't that expensive if you're willing to use legacy lenses.
Not expensive is anywhere under 300.00 for me.
What MF can I get for that?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Japanese Pentax-Ricoh site has no such lens.
Because they sell the "guaranteed for FF" version because of the large number of film 645 users in Japan.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
NO DA25/4. There is DFA645 25/4 AL (IF) SDM AW lens which covers 56*41.5 mm MF full frame sensor.
QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
PENTAX - smc PENTAX DA 645 25mm F4 AL (IF) SDM AW

Please, update ogl
But OK, it was not on any road-map
(...)
Both exist actually:

- DFA 645 is sold in Japan only because many people still use film 645 there
- DA 645 is sold outside Japan

See Photoscala Kommt: Pentax smc DA 645 4/25 mm AL [IF] SDM AW | photoscala and Amateur Photographer Pentax to sell digital-only 645D 25mm lens | Photography news - Camera news, photo news and photography events | Amateur Photographer

"The launch comes a year after the release of a film and digital version of the lens carrying the same specification, which will now be available in Japan only, according to Pentax.

A Pentax UK spokesman explained that by making a digital-only version the firm hopes to ramp up production for the 25mm, which he said has proved popular.

The new lens should be quicker to manufacture than its film and digital sibling, said the spokesman.
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i.e. with a crop version you have less to care about centring the lenses, you get less lenses that do not pass the quality tests and you can produce more at a lower cost.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tom S. Quote
Please do not! I have worked with industrial designers and engineers, and I would hesitate to let them design a dog house, let alone a camera!
Agree. Usually they're idiots who put form over function. We're talking freaking professional cameras here, not collectibles.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
i.e. with a crop version you have less to care about centring the lenses, you get less lenses that do not pass the quality tests and you can produce more at a lower cost.
Still, yodobashi sells the Japanese version for $4797 (before their -10%), while B&H charges $4996.95 for the inferior version!

(For other lenses, e.g. the FA31, B&H prices are far below yodobashi prices)
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
Not expensive is anywhere under 300.00 for me.
What MF can I get for that?
Just about anything.

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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
Still, yodobashi sells the Japanese version for $4797 (before their -10%), while B&H charges $4996.95 for the inferior version!

(For other lenses, e.g. the FA31, B&H prices are far below yodobashi prices)
Production cost gain don't necessarilly impact sales' margins
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Please do not! I have worked with industrial designers and engineers, and I would hesitate to let them design a dog house, let alone a camera!
A stainless steel pressure washable dog house might not be a bad idea!
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A stainless steel pressure washable dog house might not be a bad idea!
Perhaps, but I bet they'd forget to put a drain in it!
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