K-5 Successor Updates

Clavius · 08-31-2012, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by RobG

The suggestion I was responding to was to have the GPS device in an optional battery grip attached to the bottom of the camera. I can't see how the antenna for a GPS could possibly work when attached to the bottom of a metal DSLR case. The best location for the antenna is the top centre of the case - if the case is metal, locating the antenna anywhere else will result in skewed reception.

So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then?

It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there.

ogl · 08-31-2012, 12:27 AM

it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2.

As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say.

janneman · 08-31-2012, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then?

It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there.

It is a well known fact (and there is even research, both scientific and from "consumer-protection-groups"
to support it) that the more is put in a smartphone, the less it seems to perform in it's basic function, i.e. making calls.
I am one of the rare `Homo sapiens non-smartphonus` and I have a phone that I can drop, let get wet, be dusty, hardly takes pics, has a tiny screen and I can make calls where no man can make calls. I just does not break. And I can do without charging battery for days...

GPS in a phone is usefull because most of the time it is always on, therefore always in touch with GPS satelites... If you have GPS in your camera, you loose contact with the satelites everytime you switch your camera off, so it needs to lock on everytime you turn the camera on, which may take a while depending on where you are. Unless ofcourse there is a `GPS stand-by`mode which drains the batteries....

Just a camera bag with a map pouch and a map will do fine...

Alizarine · 08-31-2012, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then? It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a battery grip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there.

*facepalm* oh, I forgot about WiFi... it does function like GPS so it should work OK from inside the grip. though Bluetooth for some reason I find difficulty using when two devices are quite distant and with lots of walls around

Originally posted by janneman

Unless ofcourse there is a `GPS stand-by`mode which drains the batteries....

and is also useless when there are no batteries in the compartment

Asahiflex · 08-31-2012, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by ogl

it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2.

As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say.

I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm

Clavius · 08-31-2012, 02:06 AM

Maybe they'll introduce an affordable Mirrorless MF camera with EVF, that can mount 645 and K mount lenses, using a FF crop and a DA crop? (I can't find a clown-smiley.)

ogl · 08-31-2012, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm

It's different segments of market.
MF, EVIL, P&S compact camera and DSLR

K-5, Q and 645D are not new models. Need to replace.

Asahiflex · 08-31-2012, 02:18 AM

I know that they are not new models, but when was the last time that so many models were replaced all at once? For that we'd need to go back to the 70's when the M-series was introduced. I think that has never happened again after that decade.

Alizarine · 08-31-2012, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

For that we'd need to go back to the 70's when the M-series was introduced. I think that has never happened again after that decade.

Hopefully, now is the time

and hopefully... things go for the better for Ricoh-Pentax

RonHendriks1966 · 08-31-2012, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by bossa

I think I need to go on vacation from PF for 3 weeks. LOL

You might just visit PhotoKina on your holiday

RonHendriks1966 · 08-31-2012, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by ogl

it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2.

As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say.

That sounds a s a good job done then. Also 645Dii update. Some of these are maybe just updates to the previous model like Q2 and maybe K-5s.

DaveBlack · 08-31-2012, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm

I have to agree with Olg that it seems likely that we will see those cameras announced at Photokina. I will guess these new models will be more a gradual evolutionary and not ground-breaking. The truly revolutionary stuff will be at CP+. Still going to be exciting few weeks.

Dave

Clavius · 08-31-2012, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm

Well, such an announcement would make a lot of heads turn indeed. Which will make up for a lot of non-existent marketing of the last years. Who knows, maybe Pentax does intend to shout: "WE'RE BACK! And we mean business!" They could certainly use such positive publicity.

JohnBee · 08-31-2012, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Well, such an announcement would make a lot of heads turn indeed. Which will make up for a lot of non-existent marketing of the last years. Who knows, maybe Pentax does intend to shout: "WE'RE BACK! And we mean business!" They could certainly use such positive publicity.

I agree. And hopefully that will be the case.

But something tells me that this years Photokina may be relatively modest as the Pentax merger may take a little more time to kick into high gear. That being said, the recent discontinuation of the K-5 is a sure sign that something is coming. But whether it be as revolutionary as the K-5 or more along the lines of a maintenance release remains to be seen. - my guess is were going to see the latter:

A 24mp upgrade that will come close to but not quite the K-5 in terms of noise performance. - similar to what Nikon has done with the D800 against the D700. (price of added resolution). Aside from that, I'm venturing we'll see the K-3 receive focus peeking(which is very good btw), along with a host of performance improvements. And so I'm thinking something more along the lines of a maintenance update.

My only concern with the K-3 in the market segment it falls under is that Pentax doesn't skimp on the FPS and buffer. Which has always been a huge deal for me as I found myself using the K-5 on shoots. Specifically at events that benefited from continuous shooting. Where the K-5 lacked the necessary FPS control to benefit from longer continuous shooting cycles. - but that's just me.

Anyways, I could write forever about the features that could benefit the Pentax flagship camera for professional shooters but that's unlikely to affect anything now. At any rate, I do hope to see something new and exciting from Pentax this year and I certainly hope they succeed in taking the top spot as the best APS-C camera on the market .

RobG · 08-31-2012, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then?
It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there.

Please don't post insulting messages. There's a huge difference between satellite radio signals and bluetooth or wifi. The latter are designed to work over a very short range. The GPS circuit in your smartphone has a clear signal path through lots of windows in your car. It is also an assisted GPS which uses the phone cells to help it find its location. Bluetooth operates over a distance of a couple of metres and Wifi is designed to operate well within about ten metres. A GPS chip in a battery grip - if the antenna is located in the case attached to the bottom of the camera - would have very poor reception if it has a heavy duty metal DSLR camera on top of it. If you look at the compact cameras with GPS on the market, they generally have an antenna located on the top of the case. This is all conjecture anyway, but I'd be astonished if any camera manufacturer chose to put a GPS circuit into a battery grip. If a camera is going to have GPS, it's going to be built into the top of the body - unless it's an acessory the likes of which Pentax already have, that fits the hotshoe - on the top of the camera. I really don't appreciate your derogatory response.

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08-31-2012, 12:03 AM	#121
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by RobG The suggestion I was responding to was to have the GPS device in an optional battery grip attached to the bottom of the camera. I can't see how the antenna for a GPS could possibly work when attached to the bottom of a metal DSLR case. The best location for the antenna is the top centre of the case - if the case is metal, locating the antenna anywhere else will result in skewed reception. So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then? It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there.

08-31-2012, 12:27 AM	#122
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2. As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say.

08-31-2012, 01:17 AM	#123
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by Clavius So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then? It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there. It is a well known fact (and there is even research, both scientific and from "consumer-protection-groups" to support it) that the more is put in a smartphone, the less it seems to perform in it's basic function, i.e. making calls. I am one of the rare `Homo sapiens non-smartphonus` and I have a phone that I can drop, let get wet, be dusty, hardly takes pics, has a tiny screen and I can make calls where no man can make calls. I just does not break. And I can do without charging battery for days... GPS in a phone is usefull because most of the time it is always on, therefore always in touch with GPS satelites... If you have GPS in your camera, you loose contact with the satelites everytime you switch your camera off, so it needs to lock on everytime you turn the camera on, which may take a while depending on where you are. Unless ofcourse there is a `GPS stand-by`mode which drains the batteries.... Just a camera bag with a map pouch and a map will do fine...

08-31-2012, 01:39 AM	#124
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by Clavius So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then? It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a battery grip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there. facepalm oh, I forgot about WiFi... it does function like GPS so it should work OK from inside the grip. though Bluetooth for some reason I find difficulty using when two devices are quite distant and with lots of walls around Originally posted by janneman Unless ofcourse there is a `GPS stand-by`mode which drains the batteries.... and is also useless when there are no batteries in the compartment

08-31-2012, 01:58 AM	#125
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by ogl it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2. As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say. I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm

08-31-2012, 02:06 AM	#126
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Maybe they'll introduce an affordable Mirrorless MF camera with EVF, that can mount 645 and K mount lenses, using a FF crop and a DA crop? (I can't find a clown-smiley.)

08-31-2012, 02:14 AM	#127
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Asahiflex I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm It's different segments of market. MF, EVIL, P&S compact camera and DSLR K-5, Q and 645D are not new models. Need to replace.

08-31-2012, 02:18 AM	#128
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	I know that they are not new models, but when was the last time that so many models were replaced all at once? For that we'd need to go back to the 70's when the M-series was introduced. I think that has never happened again after that decade.

08-31-2012, 02:21 AM	#129
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by Asahiflex For that we'd need to go back to the 70's when the M-series was introduced. I think that has never happened again after that decade. Hopefully, now is the time and hopefully... things go for the better for Ricoh-Pentax

08-31-2012, 04:05 AM	#130
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by bossa I think I need to go on vacation from PF for 3 weeks. LOL You might just visit PhotoKina on your holiday

08-31-2012, 04:08 AM	#131
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by ogl it seems to me Pentax will show EVIL with EVF, new MF camera, K-5's replacement with new 16 MP sensor, Pentax Q2. As for camera lower K-30 and the camera higher than K-5 - hard to say. That sounds a s a good job done then. Also 645Dii update. Some of these are maybe just updates to the previous model like Q2 and maybe K-5s.

08-31-2012, 04:20 AM	#132
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by Asahiflex I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm I have to agree with Olg that it seems likely that we will see those cameras announced at Photokina. I will guess these new models will be more a gradual evolutionary and not ground-breaking. The truly revolutionary stuff will be at CP+. Still going to be exciting few weeks. Dave

08-31-2012, 04:31 AM	#133
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Asahiflex I'd say... Four new cameras at once for a brand as small as Pentax is highly unlikely. I won't say it can't be done, especially when backed up by Ricoh, but it's completely unheard of. Maybe they want to take the market by storm Well, such an announcement would make a lot of heads turn indeed. Which will make up for a lot of non-existent marketing of the last years. Who knows, maybe Pentax does intend to shout: "WE'RE BACK! And we mean business!" They could certainly use such positive publicity.

08-31-2012, 05:00 AM	#134
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by Clavius Well, such an announcement would make a lot of heads turn indeed. Which will make up for a lot of non-existent marketing of the last years. Who knows, maybe Pentax does intend to shout: "WE'RE BACK! And we mean business!" They could certainly use such positive publicity. I agree. And hopefully that will be the case. But something tells me that this years Photokina may be relatively modest as the Pentax merger may take a little more time to kick into high gear. That being said, the recent discontinuation of the K-5 is a sure sign that something is coming. But whether it be as revolutionary as the K-5 or more along the lines of a maintenance release remains to be seen. - my guess is were going to see the latter: A 24mp upgrade that will come close to but not quite the K-5 in terms of noise performance. - similar to what Nikon has done with the D800 against the D700. (price of added resolution). Aside from that, I'm venturing we'll see the K-3 receive focus peeking(which is very good btw), along with a host of performance improvements. And so I'm thinking something more along the lines of a maintenance update. My only concern with the K-3 in the market segment it falls under is that Pentax doesn't skimp on the FPS and buffer. Which has always been a huge deal for me as I found myself using the K-5 on shoots. Specifically at events that benefited from continuous shooting. Where the K-5 lacked the necessary FPS control to benefit from longer continuous shooting cycles. - but that's just me. Anyways, I could write forever about the features that could benefit the Pentax flagship camera for professional shooters but that's unlikely to affect anything now. At any rate, I do hope to see something new and exciting from Pentax this year and I certainly hope they succeed in taking the top spot as the best APS-C camera on the market .

08-31-2012, 05:57 AM	#135
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,891	Originally posted by Clavius So the tiny GPS of my smartphone won't have any reception at all from the inside of my metal car then? Gee, then how is it driving me everywhere then? It will have absolutely zero trouble locating your position from the inside of a batterygrip. Just like WIFI and Bluetooth won't have any problems operating from there. Please don't post insulting messages. There's a huge difference between satellite radio signals and bluetooth or wifi. The latter are designed to work over a very short range. The GPS circuit in your smartphone has a clear signal path through lots of windows in your car. It is also an assisted GPS which uses the phone cells to help it find its location. Bluetooth operates over a distance of a couple of metres and Wifi is designed to operate well within about ten metres. A GPS chip in a battery grip - if the antenna is located in the case attached to the bottom of the camera - would have very poor reception if it has a heavy duty metal DSLR camera on top of it. If you look at the compact cameras with GPS on the market, they generally have an antenna located on the top of the case. This is all conjecture anyway, but I'd be astonished if any camera manufacturer chose to put a GPS circuit into a battery grip. If a camera is going to have GPS, it's going to be built into the top of the body - unless it's an acessory the likes of which Pentax already have, that fits the hotshoe - on the top of the camera. I really don't appreciate your derogatory response.