K-5 Successor Updates

Alizarine · 08-21-2012, 11:08 AM

So here it is... a more realistic prediction thread perhaps?

sooner or later the term Full Frame will come up lol

I do hope the SAFOX X+ will be more than just an incremental step up from the IXi+...

Eulogy · 08-21-2012, 12:44 PM

Perhaps support for UHS 1 SD cards will come too. That would help relieve some of the stress caused by massive file sizes, as well as reduce buffer cleanup times. And maybe dual card slots with two buffers? So you could write RAW+JPG on seperate cards without the dreaded write times of Canikon's dual card systems. Oh, and it should offer Mirror lockup shooting rates at higher speeds. Like the Canon 1DX. Enough wishes there?

Edit: While we're at it, it should have 119 cross type at points, and seperate AF chips for Single, Servo and Live View. All optimized for their tasks.

eddie1960 · 08-21-2012, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by theperception2008

Pentax could provide Fuji with lens designs :-)

Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing

eddie1960 · 08-21-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Eulogy

and seperate AF chips for Single, Servo and Live View. All optimized for their tasks.

like the Old Minolta Maxxum system

no way bad idea, you'd lose the damn things all the time

ElJamoquio · 08-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by sungibr

Possibly....

But a 24mp wouldn't be to?

No. Without compression, each bit is 2x as much information. So going from 14 to 16 would be 4x as much information.

I've heard that the sensor isn't really good enough for 14 bits, but I don't know how true that is.

Caat · 08-22-2012, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by DaveBlack

These are two of many things that a pro-level aps-c Pentax could have over the updated K5. Others things could be a better sensor, faster processor, larger buffer, dual memory slots, smaller and more AF points, spot AF option, and a hybrid optical/digital viewfinder. Just to name a few off the top of my head.

Still the new upgrade to the K5 might be a real good camera.

Dave

No doubt.

But the line between a pro and non-pro camera, once you get to a certain specification, is more what you use it for rather than what it can do.

Caat · 08-22-2012, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing

I think Fuji is in a good place in terms of sensor tech, electronics, lens designs and all the standard digital camera elements. The only area I can think they might require, or desire, IP would be in DSLR specific technologies like phase detect AF systems, maybe optical stabilisation, and that kind of thing - hence why their DSLRs were re-badged Nikons (with their own sensors of course).

However given that Fuji have not shown an interest in DSLRs for years I don't believe that they'd be interested.

If we're just going to brainstorm I wonder if Ricoh-Pentax would allow Fuji to badge up a K-5 with their own sensor a la the Fuji S5-Pro etc. In some ways this may bring people into the K-mount and sell a few more limiteds. I actually don't think this is at all likely - maybe more so if Pentax hadn't recently been bought by Ricoh.

Tonto · 08-22-2012, 02:47 AM

Sounds awesome- if it is 16mp looks like it is really going for IQ+MPS, potential action camera inline with the Canon? Also leaves 24mp potentially open for THAT camera with simlar focus on IQ/DR and ergonomics rather than features. More rumours please!!!

Boris_Akunin · 08-22-2012, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Caat

I think Fuji is in a good place in terms of sensor tech, electronics, lens designs and all the standard digital camera elements. The only area I can think they might require, or desire, IP would be in DSLR specific technologies like phase detect AF systems, maybe optical stabilisation, and that kind of thing - hence why their DSLRs were re-badged Nikons (with their own sensors of course).

Pentax' sensor-OS would fit a Fuji X-Pro2 quite well...

Ben E · 08-22-2012, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by Tonto

More rumours please!!!

There are plenty of them, go to any other thread that has "K-3" or "Full frame" in the title...

LamyTax · 08-22-2012, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Ben E

There are plenty of them, go to any other thread that has "K-3" or "Full frame" in the title...

Some of them might actually be true.

bossa · 08-22-2012, 05:07 AM

(Voice over speaker system) "The next rumour will begin in ten minutes. All those who have tickets please proceed to the waiting area and try not to trample anyone in the way"

Caat · 08-22-2012, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing

Originally posted by Boris_Akunin

Pentax' sensor-OS would fit a Fuji X-Pro2 quite well...

I think Fuji already use sensor based stabilisation don't they?

Clavius · 08-22-2012, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by bossa

(Voice over speaker system) "The next rumour will begin in ten minutes. All those who have tickets please proceed to the waiting area and try not to trample anyone in the way"

What what what!? Did I miss it? Where do I get tickets?

L33tGreg · 08-22-2012, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

No. Without compression, each bit is 2x as much information. So going from 14 to 16 would be 4x as much information.

I've heard that the sensor isn't really good enough for 14 bits, but I don't know how true that is.

Right, 2 times more possible integer values. but going from 14/bpc to 16/bpc is an increase by 2/14 or 1/7 or about 14%. That's the increase in the file size. However, my guess is that most scenes wouldn't have this much DR so with compression, the extra bits would add negligible size and value. But on scenes with that much DR, you would see at most a 14% increase in file size.

*I am a computer scientist...

Greg

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08-21-2012, 11:08 AM	#31
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	So here it is... a more realistic prediction thread perhaps? sooner or later the term Full Frame will come up lol I do hope the SAFOX X+ will be more than just an incremental step up from the IXi+...

08-21-2012, 12:44 PM	#32
Eulogy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick Photos: Gallery Posts: 632	Perhaps support for UHS 1 SD cards will come too. That would help relieve some of the stress caused by massive file sizes, as well as reduce buffer cleanup times. And maybe dual card slots with two buffers? So you could write RAW+JPG on seperate cards without the dreaded write times of Canikon's dual card systems. Oh, and it should offer Mirror lockup shooting rates at higher speeds. Like the Canon 1DX. Enough wishes there? Edit: While we're at it, it should have 119 cross type at points, and seperate AF chips for Single, Servo and Live View. All optimized for their tasks.

08-21-2012, 12:53 PM	#33
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by theperception2008 Pentax could provide Fuji with lens designs :-) Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing

08-21-2012, 12:55 PM	#34
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Eulogy and seperate AF chips for Single, Servo and Live View. All optimized for their tasks. like the Old Minolta Maxxum system no way bad idea, you'd lose the damn things all the time

08-21-2012, 03:13 PM	#35
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by sungibr Possibly.... But a 24mp wouldn't be to? No. Without compression, each bit is 2x as much information. So going from 14 to 16 would be 4x as much information. I've heard that the sensor isn't really good enough for 14 bits, but I don't know how true that is.

08-22-2012, 12:37 AM	#36
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by DaveBlack These are two of many things that a pro-level aps-c Pentax could have over the updated K5. Others things could be a better sensor, faster processor, larger buffer, dual memory slots, smaller and more AF points, spot AF option, and a hybrid optical/digital viewfinder. Just to name a few off the top of my head. Still the new upgrade to the K5 might be a real good camera. Dave No doubt. But the line between a pro and non-pro camera, once you get to a certain specification, is more what you use it for rather than what it can do.

08-22-2012, 12:43 AM	#37
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by eddie1960 Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing I think Fuji is in a good place in terms of sensor tech, electronics, lens designs and all the standard digital camera elements. The only area I can think they might require, or desire, IP would be in DSLR specific technologies like phase detect AF systems, maybe optical stabilisation, and that kind of thing - hence why their DSLRs were re-badged Nikons (with their own sensors of course). However given that Fuji have not shown an interest in DSLRs for years I don't believe that they'd be interested. If we're just going to brainstorm I wonder if Ricoh-Pentax would allow Fuji to badge up a K-5 with their own sensor a la the Fuji S5-Pro etc. In some ways this may bring people into the K-mount and sell a few more limiteds. I actually don't think this is at all likely - maybe more so if Pentax hadn't recently been bought by Ricoh.

08-22-2012, 02:47 AM	#38
Tonto Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellington Posts: 969	Sounds awesome- if it is 16mp looks like it is really going for IQ+MPS, potential action camera inline with the Canon? Also leaves 24mp potentially open for THAT camera with simlar focus on IQ/DR and ergonomics rather than features. More rumours please!!!

08-22-2012, 02:51 AM	#39
Boris_Akunin Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 674	Originally posted by Caat I think Fuji is in a good place in terms of sensor tech, electronics, lens designs and all the standard digital camera elements. The only area I can think they might require, or desire, IP would be in DSLR specific technologies like phase detect AF systems, maybe optical stabilisation, and that kind of thing - hence why their DSLRs were re-badged Nikons (with their own sensors of course). Pentax' sensor-OS would fit a Fuji X-Pro2 quite well...

08-22-2012, 04:56 AM	#40
Ben E Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Israel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 177	Originally posted by Tonto More rumours please!!! There are plenty of them, go to any other thread that has "K-3" or "Full frame" in the title...

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08-22-2012, 05:04 AM	#41
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	Originally posted by Ben E There are plenty of them, go to any other thread that has "K-3" or "Full frame" in the title... Some of them might actually be true.

08-22-2012, 05:07 AM	#42
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08-22-2012, 05:10 AM	#43
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by eddie1960 Why would Fuji want them? they have designed some absolutely stellar Medium format lenses over the years so it's obvious they know what they are doing Originally posted by Boris_Akunin Pentax' sensor-OS would fit a Fuji X-Pro2 quite well... I think Fuji already use sensor based stabilisation don't they?

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Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by bossa (Voice over speaker system) "The next rumour will begin in ten minutes. All those who have tickets please proceed to the waiting area and try not to trample anyone in the way" What what what!? Did I miss it? Where do I get tickets?

08-22-2012, 06:03 AM	#45
L33tGreg Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Photos: Gallery Posts: 369	Originally posted by ElJamoquio No. Without compression, each bit is 2x as much information. So going from 14 to 16 would be 4x as much information. I've heard that the sensor isn't really good enough for 14 bits, but I don't know how true that is. Right, 2 times more possible integer values. but going from 14/bpc to 16/bpc is an increase by 2/14 or 1/7 or about 14%. That's the increase in the file size. However, my guess is that most scenes wouldn't have this much DR so with compression, the extra bits would add negligible size and value. But on scenes with that much DR, you would see at most a 14% increase in file size. *I am a computer scientist... Greg