Watch out Full frame leak from Pentax Australia twitter

ogl · 09-05-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Why would you replace a K-5 with a K-30?

unpredictable AF with fast primes. BF/FF in different light condition even with AF adjustment. K-30 is not expensive. I can buy K30 with AA adapter for USD890. It's big plus too.
K-5N will be 1000 EURO.

Last edited by ogl; 09-05-2012 at 10:34 PM.

Alizarine · 09-05-2012, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by NightPorter

If Pentax will not has a clear FF schedule, Pentax is doomed !

whoa, did I read that right again! no FF, Pentax is doooooooommmmeed

sorry but... I don't think Ricoh's going to let Pentax die without a bang

Clavius · 09-05-2012, 10:28 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Adam

Good things are coming, but next week a full-frame isn't one of them

Your statement is a contradiction. FF would be the only thing that would do Pentax any good.

ogl · 09-05-2012, 10:31 PM

By the way, K-3 could be in 2 versions - with and without AA filter. The last one with new AF system could be interesting for anybody till FF come...

Clavius · 09-05-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by ogl

unpredictable AF with fast primes. BF/FF in different light condition even with AF adjustment.

Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF.

Now that's irony.

(We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.)

TOUGEFC · 09-05-2012, 10:33 PM

Hope everyone has saved all their $$$ up ready for the FF!

ogl · 09-05-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF.

Now that's irony.

(We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.)

K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition.

My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate.
If you use primes, it's easy to see.

ozlizard · 09-05-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Hope everyone has saved all their $$$ up ready for the FF!

Which FF is that? The one we are going to get or the one we are not going to get?

I'm so confused I might just take up drawing.....

Alizarine · 09-05-2012, 10:47 PM

I wonder what kind of improvement Pentax has done for the AF over the years. The SAFOX IXi+ seems to be just a quick upgrade; they were probably working on the X version long ago and just finished it recently, in time to test-release it with the K-5 MkII. Will it be a hybrid-type AF just like the one in Sony's A99, albeit to a lesser degree, or just... well, a "faster, more accurate version" based on the IXi+ hardware?

btw, if a non-AA filter version of the K-3 flagship is to be released... knowing how much P's engineers can tweak out a sensor, if it can rival the entry-level D600... good game, Pentax.

Zafar Iqbal · 09-05-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.))

If that was always the case then I should have been billed twice for wrongly claiming issues with the cameras AF and sending it in for repairs. Instead I was later offered my money back.

rawr · 09-05-2012, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by ogl

If you use primes, it's easy to see.

Not if you use 300mm f4 primes

The K-5's AF on 300mm centre-spot has been working great recently, chasing around small honey eaters and thornbills through bad light, obstructions, and shadows. You standard prime shooters have it too easy.

Clavius · 09-06-2012, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by ogl

K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition.

My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate.
If you use primes, it's easy to see.

The K5 was trialled and tested and found to be very best amongst it's peers: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/154373-pentax-k-5-exce...ocus-test.html

The findings of the Germans comply with my own experiences with the K5. And yes, with fast primes too.

Originally posted by ZafarIqbal:

If that was always the case then I should have been billed twice for wrongly claiming issues with the cameras AF and sending it in for repairs. Instead I was later offered my money back.

That only proves to me that they wanted to get rid of a customer who is unhappy with a fully functioning product. Who bills people for wrongly claimed issues?!?

Back on topic: Instead they could have updated the EXISTING K5's systems with updated firmwares to improve issues with the K5's in existing userbase, instead of selling a software-tweak. And issue the new K5mkII with a bigger sensor.

gazonk · 09-06-2012, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by ogl

K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition.

My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate.
If you use primes, it's easy to see.

Really? My K-5 is waaaay better than my K10d, especially at close to infinity distances, where the K10 simply isn't accurate enough.

the swede · 09-06-2012, 12:34 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Clavius

The K5 was trialled and tested and found to be very best amongst it's peers: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/154373-pentax-k-5-exce...ocus-test.html

The findings of the Germans comply with my own experiences with the K5. And yes, with fast primes too.

That only proves to me that they wanted to get rid of a customer who is unhappy with a fully functioning product. Who bills people for wrongly claimed issues?!?

Back on topic: Instead they could have updated the EXISTING K5's systems with updated firmwares to improve issues with the K5's in existing userbase, instead of selling a software-tweak. And issue the new K5mkII with a bigger sensor.

AF-C tracking objects, af point sensitivity, af prediction speed and accuracy, af CPU speed?

Testing af-s on a still target with high contrast is just a simple way to state that pentax af is good, fast and acurate in that area only. Wich it is, and should be by todays standard. Btw my ist* is more acurate than my k-5 was.

LamyTax · 09-06-2012, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF.

Now that's irony.

(We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.)

Yeah, right, it has no focus issues in certain light settings or weird focus issues that randomly start.

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09-05-2012, 09:18 PM	#61
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Winder Why would you replace a K-5 with a K-30? unpredictable AF with fast primes. BF/FF in different light condition even with AF adjustment. K-30 is not expensive. I can buy K30 with AA adapter for USD890. It's big plus too. K-5N will be 1000 EURO. Last edited by ogl; 09-05-2012 at 10:34 PM.

09-05-2012, 10:14 PM	#62
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by NightPorter If Pentax will not has a clear FF schedule, Pentax is doomed ! whoa, did I read that right again! no FF, Pentax is doooooooommmmeed sorry but... I don't think Ricoh's going to let Pentax die without a bang

09-05-2012, 10:28 PM - 1 Like	#63
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Adam Good things are coming, but next week a full-frame isn't one of them Your statement is a contradiction. FF would be the only thing that would do Pentax any good.

09-05-2012, 10:31 PM	#64
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	By the way, K-3 could be in 2 versions - with and without AA filter. The last one with new AF system could be interesting for anybody till FF come...

09-05-2012, 10:32 PM	#65
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by ogl unpredictable AF with fast primes. BF/FF in different light condition even with AF adjustment. Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF. Now that's irony. (We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.)

09-05-2012, 10:33 PM	#66
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Hope everyone has saved all their $$$ up ready for the FF!

09-05-2012, 10:40 PM	#67
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Clavius Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF. Now that's irony. (We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.) K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition. My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate. If you use primes, it's easy to see.

09-05-2012, 10:40 PM	#68
ozlizard Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bridgetown West Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 903	Quote: Hope everyone has saved all their $$$ up ready for the FF! Which FF is that? The one we are going to get or the one we are not going to get? I'm so confused I might just take up drawing.....

09-05-2012, 10:47 PM	#69
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	I wonder what kind of improvement Pentax has done for the AF over the years. The SAFOX IXi+ seems to be just a quick upgrade; they were probably working on the X version long ago and just finished it recently, in time to test-release it with the K-5 MkII. Will it be a hybrid-type AF just like the one in Sony's A99, albeit to a lesser degree, or just... well, a "faster, more accurate version" based on the IXi+ hardware? btw, if a non-AA filter version of the K-3 flagship is to be released... knowing how much P's engineers can tweak out a sensor, if it can rival the entry-level D600... good game, Pentax.

09-05-2012, 10:56 PM	#70
Zafar Iqbal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,229	Originally posted by Clavius Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) If that was always the case then I should have been billed twice for wrongly claiming issues with the cameras AF and sending it in for repairs. Instead I was later offered my money back.

09-05-2012, 11:51 PM	#71
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ogl If you use primes, it's easy to see. Not if you use 300mm f4 primes The K-5's AF on 300mm centre-spot has been working great recently, chasing around small honey eaters and thornbills through bad light, obstructions, and shadows. You standard prime shooters have it too easy.

09-06-2012, 12:03 AM	#72
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by ogl K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition. My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate. If you use primes, it's easy to see. The K5 was trialled and tested and found to be very best amongst it's peers: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/154373-pentax-k-5-exce...ocus-test.html The findings of the Germans comply with my own experiences with the K5. And yes, with fast primes too. Originally posted by ZafarIqbal: If that was always the case then I should have been billed twice for wrongly claiming issues with the cameras AF and sending it in for repairs. Instead I was later offered my money back. That only proves to me that they wanted to get rid of a customer who is unhappy with a fully functioning product. Who bills people for wrongly claimed issues?!? Back on topic: Instead they could have updated the EXISTING K5's systems with updated firmwares to improve issues with the K5's in existing userbase, instead of selling a software-tweak. And issue the new K5mkII with a bigger sensor.

09-06-2012, 12:07 AM	#73
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl K-5's AF system is very mediocre system in terms of accuracy. It seems to me - AF's points are bigger than was before. The sensitivity of AF sensors are rather low in not bright light condition. My K200D is simply more accurate than K-5 without any AF adjustment. Yes, slower and less tenacious, but accurate. If you use primes, it's easy to see. Really? My K-5 is waaaay better than my K10d, especially at close to infinity distances, where the K10 simply isn't accurate enough.

09-06-2012, 12:34 AM - 1 Like	#74
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310	Originally posted by Clavius The K5 was trialled and tested and found to be very best amongst it's peers: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/154373-pentax-k-5-exce...ocus-test.html The findings of the Germans comply with my own experiences with the K5. And yes, with fast primes too. That only proves to me that they wanted to get rid of a customer who is unhappy with a fully functioning product. Who bills people for wrongly claimed issues?!? Back on topic: Instead they could have updated the EXISTING K5's systems with updated firmwares to improve issues with the K5's in existing userbase, instead of selling a software-tweak. And issue the new K5mkII with a bigger sensor. AF-C tracking objects, af point sensitivity, af prediction speed and accuracy, af CPU speed? Testing af-s on a still target with high contrast is just a simple way to state that pentax af is good, fast and acurate in that area only. Wich it is, and should be by todays standard. Btw my ist* is more acurate than my k-5 was.

09-06-2012, 03:16 AM	#75
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	Originally posted by Clavius Ah, so the whiners that constantly complained about the K5's AF (Obviously PEBCA. (Problem Exists Behind Camera.)) are now the reason for belated FF. Pentax is dedicating a production line to the K5MKII which they should have used for FF. Now that's irony. (We need torches, pitchforks, ropes and an angry mob.) Yeah, right, it has no focus issues in certain light settings or weird focus issues that randomly start.