The 9 Things that Pentax is to be Announced (Updated!)

DSims · 09-06-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

But if it is going to release in 2013, this will be a good time to announce it / show prototype?
I am waiting for this lens as well.

Well don't wait too hard. You're probably imagining a 16-85/2.8, when the reality will be somewhere between that and a 24-75/4 (although that would be FF). If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either!

At least that's what I first imagined when I saw 'DA* zoom', until I thought about it and realized it wasn't feasible.

Last edited by DSims; 09-06-2012 at 02:54 PM.

**Clinton** · 09-06-2012, 03:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DSims

If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either!

Look, if it protrudes from the camera body, it's too big. If it weighs more than 0.75 ounces, it's too heavy. If it costs more than USD $5, it's too much money.

Oh and it *has* to be F2.0. F2.8 is so last year.

Franky2step · 09-06-2012, 03:12 PM

the silence is killing me, must be a good sign

cmohr · 09-06-2012, 03:14 PM

I'm expecting "nothing" , that way I can't be dissappointed with the result.

JohnBee · 09-06-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by cmohr

I'm expecting "nothing" , that way I can't be dissappointed with the result.

That's the spirit

**Deimos** · 09-06-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by DSims

Good point, but those FF buyers will suddenly spend $4000 or more on a new camera plus a couple of zoom lenses - or at least some new lens they realize they're missing. So it will get them out of their non-spending rut, and generate significant revenue from each. But until that happens, your analysis makes sense.

I think the real reason most people here want full frame is not to make use of a new zoom but to use their lovely full-frame Pentax lenses as they were intended but on digital. Sure some people would buy the zooms but then the argument for Pentax or at least some of the big selling points (the nice primes and compact system) goes out the window.

I also cant see Pentax ever releasing a $4k body camera (that isnt MF). I'd also have to think that the profit margins on any new gear (new gen bodies like FF or new lenses) would be small at least for a few years.

stormcloud · 09-06-2012, 05:15 PM

you know the thing i find annoying - the faster burst rate is in the camera with the smaller viewfinder - would love the k5n but after seeing the bit about new larger viewfinder well makes me want that too - ah well will be skipping this gen anyway k5 meets my needs and jsut my inner tech nerd wants latest shiney toy

mattdm · 09-06-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by stormcloud

you know the thing i find annoying - the faster burst rate is in the camera with the smaller viewfinder - would love the k5n but after seeing the bit about new larger viewfinder well makes me want that too - ah well will be skipping this gen anyway k5 meets my needs and jsut my inner tech nerd wants latest shiney toy

Well, I don't think it's worth being too annoyed about imaginary specs.

Sandy Hancock · 09-06-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by DSims

Well don't wait too hard. You're probably imagining a 16-85/2.8, when the reality will be somewhere between that and a 24-75/4 (although that would be FF). If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either!

At least that's what I first imagined when I saw 'DA* zoom', until I thought about it and realized it wasn't feasible.

I've said it elsewhere before; 16-85 is the most wildly optimistic extreme of the proposed new DA* zoom's range. Expecting that full range in an affordable, reasonably compact, fast, high quality zoom is ridiculous. As you say, it will most likely be in the typical 24-75/2.8 range, and hopefully full frame, where the formula is well established.

lightbulb · 09-06-2012, 05:39 PM

Re16 85. f2.8-4 is doable.

**Deimos** · 09-06-2012, 05:40 PM

Fuji just released an 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens for the xpros

yjcs · 09-06-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by JohnBee

That's the spirit

absolutely

DaveBlack · 09-06-2012, 05:50 PM

If the rumor is true it sounds like the K5n will be getting a new 16mp sensor. Any idea how it will be different than the 16mp sensor found in the K-01 and the K30?

Dave

Wired · 09-06-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Deimos

I think the real reason most people here want full frame is not to make use of a new zoom but to use their lovely full-frame Pentax lenses as they were intended but on digital. Sure some people would buy the zooms but then the argument for Pentax or at least some of the big selling points (the nice primes and compact system) goes out the window.

I also cant see Pentax ever releasing a $4k body camera (that isnt MF). I'd also have to think that the profit margins on any new gear (new gen bodies like FF or new lenses) would be small at least for a few years.

The problem with that theory is that will a 24mp sensor that is pushed as much as Pentax pushes it compared to Nikon/Sony...will it out resolve the old FA glass? Let alone M and A glass? I think so. You can already see with the K5 the difference between M glass and FA glass. I doubt we will turely get the magic we had from our FA's on a FF 24mp+ body.

This is one more reason why I'm more than happy with 24mp APSC being released vs a 24mp FF. Don't get me wrong, if BOTH were to come out I'd be saving the pennies hardcore (with the APS being the first purchase). But my style of shooting and prefered focal lengths dictate I'm more suited for the smaller format.

Besides... were pushing IQ of Canon's full frame with the K5 already. "oh thin depth of field man" I like my stuff to be in focus.

Winder · 09-06-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by DaveBlack

If the rumor is true it sounds like the K5n will be getting a new 16mp sensor. Any idea how it will be different than the 16mp sensor found in the K-01 and the K30?

Dave

The new 16MP sensor that Sony is putting in the NEX-6 is rumored to have PDAF built into the sensor. This is a big deal for mirror-less and older glass. I believe the new Canon M already sports this technology. Not sure if the same sensor will be used by Pentax, but that is the biggest "new" feature of the new 16MP Sony sensor. Pentax may be getting a smoking hot deal on the last generation 16MP sensors and making good use of a great sensor. The K-02 could definitely use the new sensor with PDAF built in. The AF on the K-01 is painfully slow.

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09-06-2012, 02:46 PM	#76
DSims Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,236	Originally posted by LFLee But if it is going to release in 2013, this will be a good time to announce it / show prototype? I am waiting for this lens as well. Well don't wait too hard. You're probably imagining a 16-85/2.8, when the reality will be somewhere between that and a 24-75/4 (although that would be FF). If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either! At least that's what I first imagined when I saw 'DA* zoom', until I thought about it and realized it wasn't feasible. Last edited by DSims; 09-06-2012 at 02:54 PM.

09-06-2012, 03:04 PM - 1 Like	#77
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910	Originally posted by DSims If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either! Look, if it protrudes from the camera body, it's too big. If it weighs more than 0.75 ounces, it's too heavy. If it costs more than USD $5, it's too much money. Oh and it has to be F2.0. F2.8 is so last year.

09-06-2012, 03:12 PM	#78
Franky2step Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Niagara Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 793	the silence is killing me, must be a good sign

09-06-2012, 03:14 PM	#79
cmohr Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brisbane. Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,824	I'm expecting "nothing" , that way I can't be dissappointed with the result.

09-06-2012, 04:09 PM	#80
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by cmohr I'm expecting "nothing" , that way I can't be dissappointed with the result. That's the spirit

09-06-2012, 05:10 PM	#81
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Originally posted by DSims Good point, but those FF buyers will suddenly spend $4000 or more on a new camera plus a couple of zoom lenses - or at least some new lens they realize they're missing. So it will get them out of their non-spending rut, and generate significant revenue from each. But until that happens, your analysis makes sense. I think the real reason most people here want full frame is not to make use of a new zoom but to use their lovely full-frame Pentax lenses as they were intended but on digital. Sure some people would buy the zooms but then the argument for Pentax or at least some of the big selling points (the nice primes and compact system) goes out the window. I also cant see Pentax ever releasing a $4k body camera (that isnt MF). I'd also have to think that the profit margins on any new gear (new gen bodies like FF or new lenses) would be small at least for a few years.

09-06-2012, 05:15 PM	#82
stormcloud Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 232	you know the thing i find annoying - the faster burst rate is in the camera with the smaller viewfinder - would love the k5n but after seeing the bit about new larger viewfinder well makes me want that too - ah well will be skipping this gen anyway k5 meets my needs and jsut my inner tech nerd wants latest shiney toy

09-06-2012, 05:20 PM	#83
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by stormcloud you know the thing i find annoying - the faster burst rate is in the camera with the smaller viewfinder - would love the k5n but after seeing the bit about new larger viewfinder well makes me want that too - ah well will be skipping this gen anyway k5 meets my needs and jsut my inner tech nerd wants latest shiney toy Well, I don't think it's worth being too annoyed about imaginary specs.

09-06-2012, 05:33 PM	#84
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by DSims Well don't wait too hard. You're probably imagining a 16-85/2.8, when the reality will be somewhere between that and a 24-75/4 (although that would be FF). If they did develop a 16-85/2.8, we wouldn't like the cost, and possibly not the size either! At least that's what I first imagined when I saw 'DA* zoom', until I thought about it and realized it wasn't feasible. I've said it elsewhere before; 16-85 is the most wildly optimistic extreme of the proposed new DA* zoom's range. Expecting that full range in an affordable, reasonably compact, fast, high quality zoom is ridiculous. As you say, it will most likely be in the typical 24-75/2.8 range, and hopefully full frame, where the formula is well established.

09-06-2012, 05:39 PM	#85
lightbulb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 691	Re16 85. f2.8-4 is doable.

09-06-2012, 05:40 PM	#86
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Fuji just released an 18-55 2.8-4 kit lens for the xpros

09-06-2012, 05:45 PM	#87
yjcs Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: calgary Photos: Gallery Posts: 39	Originally posted by JohnBee That's the spirit absolutely

09-06-2012, 05:50 PM	#88
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	If the rumor is true it sounds like the K5n will be getting a new 16mp sensor. Any idea how it will be different than the 16mp sensor found in the K-01 and the K30? Dave

09-06-2012, 05:51 PM	#89
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Deimos I think the real reason most people here want full frame is not to make use of a new zoom but to use their lovely full-frame Pentax lenses as they were intended but on digital. Sure some people would buy the zooms but then the argument for Pentax or at least some of the big selling points (the nice primes and compact system) goes out the window. I also cant see Pentax ever releasing a $4k body camera (that isnt MF). I'd also have to think that the profit margins on any new gear (new gen bodies like FF or new lenses) would be small at least for a few years. The problem with that theory is that will a 24mp sensor that is pushed as much as Pentax pushes it compared to Nikon/Sony...will it out resolve the old FA glass? Let alone M and A glass? I think so. You can already see with the K5 the difference between M glass and FA glass. I doubt we will turely get the magic we had from our FA's on a FF 24mp+ body. This is one more reason why I'm more than happy with 24mp APSC being released vs a 24mp FF. Don't get me wrong, if BOTH were to come out I'd be saving the pennies hardcore (with the APS being the first purchase). But my style of shooting and prefered focal lengths dictate I'm more suited for the smaller format. Besides... were pushing IQ of Canon's full frame with the K5 already. "oh thin depth of field man" I like my stuff to be in focus.

09-06-2012, 06:02 PM	#90
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by DaveBlack If the rumor is true it sounds like the K5n will be getting a new 16mp sensor. Any idea how it will be different than the 16mp sensor found in the K-01 and the K30? Dave The new 16MP sensor that Sony is putting in the NEX-6 is rumored to have PDAF built into the sensor. This is a big deal for mirror-less and older glass. I believe the new Canon M already sports this technology. Not sure if the same sensor will be used by Pentax, but that is the biggest "new" feature of the new 16MP Sony sensor. Pentax may be getting a smoking hot deal on the last generation 16MP sensors and making good use of a great sensor. The K-02 could definitely use the new sensor with PDAF built in. The AF on the K-01 is painfully slow.