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09-12-2012, 07:47 AM   #526
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If N and C won't offer any new APS-C cameras this year, Pentax's move with K-5II/s is not silly...

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QuoteOriginally posted by timcatn Quote
There is the possibility that Pentax sees the K5-II as a dry run test for their new AF system. If it is well received then great. Put in the K3 and off we go. If not, they have the chance to correct it before putting the K3 on sale. Just my 2 cents.
What would a "dry run" of the AF system benefit Pentax...? Unless of course like the others said, just to buy time and release something for PK 2012
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
If N and C won't offer any new APS-C cameras this year, Pentax's move with K-5II/s is not silly...
They will release APS-C, but aimed at what level? That is the major question.
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QuoteOriginally posted by janneman Quote
They will release APS-C, but aimed at what level? That is the major question.
I would say Nikon will release 3 APS-C
D5200
D7100
D400

Would not think Canon would be releasing a APS-C since they just release the major firmware update for the 7D and the T4i just came out they might announce something in between

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QuoteOriginally posted by hangman43 Quote

Would not think Canon would be releasing a APS-C since they just release the major firmware update for the 7D and the T4i just came out they might announce something in between
70D, 60D is from 2010.
Not sure about D400, they might have abandoned that path, if only to keep the Dx00 series reserved for FF and avoid confusion.
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QuoteOriginally posted by hangman43 Quote
I would say Nikon will release 3 APS-C
D5200
D7100
D400

Would not think Canon would be releasing a APS-C since they just release the major firmware update for the 7D and the T4i just came out they might announce something in between
No any rumors...
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With Nikon expected to release the D600 at $2,700 I think it does leave room for a D400 at the $1,700 price point.

2012 seems to be the year of the FF. Canon, Nikon, & Sony have all put multiple FF bodies on the market. 2013 will probably be the year for APS-C. I would expect replacements for the 7D, D300s, K-5, & A77 as well as an Olympus E-5 replacement.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
If N and C won't offer any new APS-C cameras this year, Pentax's move with K-5II/s is not silly...
I think the K5 II/s were rushed through development only after Pentax couldn't deliver a K3 per their original plans. They got the AF module working but couldn't finish the rest of the camera - ran out of money or sensor not good enough or not available from vendor or??

It just doesn't make sense to release your flagship camera with key features (Prime Engine, video, focus aids) that are a generation behind the K3, especially when it costs twice as much.
Unless your only other option is not to release a new flagship at all for another 6 months or year.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cfraz Quote
I think the K5 II/s were rushed through development only after Pentax couldn't deliver a K3 per their original plans. .
I just think they want to expand their line-up. The K-5 is still arguably the best APS camera on the market; no need to discontinue it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
I just think they want to expand their line-up. The K-5 is still arguably the best APS camera on the market; no need to discontinue it.
I agree no need to discontinue the K5. But I can't believe Pentax's product development plans from a year ago said "Let's release a mid range model in the spring and then six months later introduce a flagship model that is a generation behind the mid range model in several key features and 2X $." The new AF module was originally intended for a new body. Of course that's just my opinion which doesn't really matter to anyone but me, so I don't know why I'm writing this!
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I do find it strange that after 2 years, the K-5 refresh was smaller than expected. Maybe the K-5 is so ground breaking that Pentax had a hard time delivering another product just as good.

I suspect <something> new was built, but they can't deliver the <something> because they couldn't get the parts. When they found out, they switched gears to create a refreshed K-5 II/IIs.

I just don't see Hoya stopping product development for the last 2 years, thinking they will save money for the short term and dump the company on someone unsuspecting. I don't think Hoya would have done that since they would have been stuck with Pentax if they couldn't sell it. Besides, you would need a new product pipeline to show any potential new owners.

The otherside is they couldn't engineer the new body because they lost all the good engineers. The K-30 seems to imply that's not the situation since they were able to deliver that using the the Sony 16 MP sensor and the new Prime M processor, including focus peaking and new AF.

This leads me to believe this shift to the K-5 II/IIs was very recent and sudden. It was fast, so fast that they couldn't even use the new Prime M processor in the K-5 II/IIs, knowing they were leaving out the focus peaking and higher video. If anything, I would of believed the focus peaking would have made the feature list of the K-5 II/IIs.

I prefer to think it's supply issue. Maybe they were negotiating for the new sensor and they couldn't come to agreement. Could be just as simple as that.
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I rather think that Ricoh took a good look at what they bought and decided a rather dramatic change of direction was needed. It may have taken a few months to determine that (due diligence only goes so far).

Market/product management must get used to the state of the markets and develop lists of new requirements and associated timelines. ( Reading PF may not provide enough market intelligence . )

With a change of direction, R&D staff must shift their efforts and resources must be diverted to new concepts, technologies, whatever. Perhaps new intellectual property agreements and new supplier agreements must be negotiated, at least in principle, before the detailed development begins. Those are needed to understand what the designers will have available to them.

If the Hoya plans had to be scrapped, the current situation may be understandable.

But I do wish, though, I could get another K-5, this one in crystal blue .....
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QuoteOriginally posted by 7samurai Quote
This leads me to believe this shift to the K-5 II/IIs was very recent and sudden.
well... not that I know a lot, but as far as some sources we have in our local community say, yup it's recent. As like, early 2012. So the guess that the new body just can't be completed for revelation at Photokina makes a lot of sense.

However, there wasn't enough insider info getting out to let us get wind of what's going on inside the Pentax warehouses, lol. Maybe they hire ninjas to guard the place. It's so... info-tight.

So why is Ned Bunnell resigning?
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QuoteOriginally posted by glanglois Quote
But I do wish, though, I could get another K-5, this one in crystal blue .....
I really want one in that color too.

I hope we get samples soon of the 's' version so we can see what magic the Pentax engineers did.
(still wish they added focus peaking and better video)
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QuoteOriginally posted by 7samurai Quote
I really want one in that color too.

I hope we get samples soon of the 's' version so we can see what magic the Pentax engineers did.
(still wish they added focus peaking and better video)
Can't wait. Will be nice to see what they did with the II as well.
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