Pentax K-5 II/s rumor update (w/images)...

rawr · 09-09-2012, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by zapp

The message here is that the K5 does not have a decent AF system.

Not necessarily. The K-5's AF is OK and most people find it works effectively, the K-5 II will just have better AF. Progress.

GeeBee1 · 09-09-2012, 01:25 AM

I am well pleased with the K5 why change when it may just have a few extra features that I proberly will never use

Zav · 09-09-2012, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Not a leak, but official, the Zeiss 2/135 mm lens will not be available for Pentax.

Unsurprising, the K mount version of the Cosina-Zeiss/Voigtlander lenses has been discontinued years ago.

vespats · 09-09-2012, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by zapp

The message here is that the K5 does not have a decent AF system.

[Sarcasm]Thats so right aaaaaall my shots are blury partly in particular the bokeh of portraits [/Sarcasm]
I think the statements in the forums are totally overrated. In most situation the AF works just perfect. There might be some improvements possible, and if they do that in the next Camera generation, even better - but in general the K5 is just a great camera.

Originally posted by zapp

I want a wide aperture 24 mm lens with a somehow upgraded K5.

There I agree, the DA21 Ltd is a nice lens, but somehow I would like to have a equivalent of the FA31 for APC. A 24mm F1.4 would be something and I see a slight gap here.

I am looking forward to the photokina. Even if I do not expect something for me this time, I have the feeling that Pentax is making steps in the right direction!

ENicolas · 09-09-2012, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Not necessarily. The K-5's AF is OK and most people find it works effectively, the K-5 II will just have better AF. Progress.

It hunts like a bird dog in low light situations. But improved AF is no reason to upgrade. They need more than that to get me to spend another grand after I bought a K-5 in February!

EDIT: Okay - a model with no AA filter might do it!

Kunzite · 09-09-2012, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by zapp

I am still underimpressed, no interesting news from Pentax at photokina. Ok they present some cameras, some lenses, but nothing interesting for me,

...but maybe interesting for others

For example, the high-end, expensive

560mm f/5.6 lens - of course I won't buy it; but it's a sign Pentax is back in business. Even the rumoured K-5 II would be a very capable and I'd guess popular camera; and they MUST have such a camera before going higher-end.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 09-09-2012, 04:13 AM

I think that the AF on my K-5 is not too bad, though I do get a slightly higher hit rate on moving subjects with my Nikon. So, any improvement in AF will be welcome, although I'm not displeased with present performance. The K-5 without a low pass filter sounds great to me, and if true, I shall definitely be in the market for one. It would have all the resolution I need for my type of photography. Unlike many, I would not be disappointed if the current rumours come to fruition. I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really NEED full frame?

vespats · 09-09-2012, 04:27 AM

where do all those rumors about the missing low pass filter come from?

The only sensor I know that allows that is the x-trans cmos from fujifilm.
If this is put in the K5 MkII it is a selling point.

But I do not believe Fujifilm is giving up what separates them from the others

rawr · 09-09-2012, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by ENicolas

It hunts like a bird dog in low light situations.

Perhaps, the degree to which depending on your lens, the light type etc etc.

But name a camera that doesn't have some problems doing AF with low light and low contrast subjects. Google will find you millions of examples. Even the reigning DxOMark low-light and sports-shooting king the Nikon D3s has lots of user reports of focussing problems in low light.

The K-5 may have AF issues, but in low light it isn't alone.

Edvinas · 09-09-2012, 04:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

The K-5 may have AF issues, but in low light it isn't alone.

What about issues with fast prime lenses? Isn't K-5 alone too?

Mistral75 · 09-09-2012, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by vespats

where do all those rumors about the missing low pass filter come from?

The only sensor I know that allows that is the x-trans cmos from fujifilm.
If this is put in the K5 MkII it is a selling point.

But I do not believe Fujifilm is giving up what separates them from the others

A "classical" Sony sensor allows to suppress the low-pass filter too: see Nikon D800E.

rawr · 09-09-2012, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

What about issues with fast prime lenses? Isn't K-5 alone too?

Absolutely. The K-5 is the only camera on the market unable to AF with fast prime lenses. It's a well known fact. Pentax really needs to eliminate this unique flaw of the K-5.

pinholecam · 09-09-2012, 04:43 AM

K5 but :
1. Sharper
2. Even better AF
3. Faster processing power
4. No megapix overload (16mp and not 24)
5. Potentially a bit better ISO performance without the AA filter
6. Same winning size and handling

What is there not to like other than "Its still using the K7>K5 design" (lame criticism to me)
The K5 is as relevant today as it was 2yrs ago.
Still the best bayer type APS-C camera in DR and high ISO with chroma noise suppression 2nd to none.

As a K5 replacement, it makes sense (an improvement over the K5).
For existing K5 users and those who want more, wait for the K3 or the FF.

ElJamoquio · 09-09-2012, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

The K-5 without a low pass filter sounds great to me, and if true, I shall definitely be in the market for one.

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really NEED full frame?

Need is a funny word. Do you need a k-5 without a low pass filter?

JohnBee · 09-09-2012, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Need is a funny word. Do you need a k-5 without a low pass filter?

Easily fixed

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan:

I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really ~~NEED~~ WANT full frame?

09-09-2012, 03:48 AM	#170
ENicolas Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Northern California Posts: 137	Originally posted by rawr Not necessarily. The K-5's AF is OK and most people find it works effectively, the K-5 II will just have better AF. Progress. It hunts like a bird dog in low light situations. But improved AF is no reason to upgrade. They need more than that to get me to spend another grand after I bought a K-5 in February! EDIT: Okay - a model with no AA filter might do it! Last edited by ENicolas; 09-10-2012 at 07:00 PM. Reason: Reality

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09-09-2012, 12:43 AM	#166
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by zapp The message here is that the K5 does not have a decent AF system. Not necessarily. The K-5's AF is OK and most people find it works effectively, the K-5 II will just have better AF. Progress.

09-09-2012, 01:25 AM	#167
GeeBee1 Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 13	I am well pleased with the K5 why change when it may just have a few extra features that I proberly will never use

09-09-2012, 01:30 AM	#168
Zav Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,371	Originally posted by zapp Not a leak, but official, the Zeiss 2/135 mm lens will not be available for Pentax. Unsurprising, the K mount version of the Cosina-Zeiss/Voigtlander lenses has been discontinued years ago.

09-09-2012, 02:04 AM	#169
vespats Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 128	Originally posted by zapp The message here is that the K5 does not have a decent AF system. [Sarcasm]Thats so right aaaaaall my shots are blury partly in particular the bokeh of portraits [/Sarcasm] I think the statements in the forums are totally overrated. In most situation the AF works just perfect. There might be some improvements possible, and if they do that in the next Camera generation, even better - but in general the K5 is just a great camera. Originally posted by zapp I want a wide aperture 24 mm lens with a somehow upgraded K5. There I agree, the DA21 Ltd is a nice lens, but somehow I would like to have a equivalent of the FA31 for APC. A 24mm F1.4 would be something and I see a slight gap here. I am looking forward to the photokina. Even if I do not expect something for me this time, I have the feeling that Pentax is making steps in the right direction!

09-09-2012, 04:09 AM	#171
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by zapp I am still underimpressed, no interesting news from Pentax at photokina. Ok they present some cameras, some lenses, but nothing interesting for me, ...but maybe interesting for others For example, the high-end, expensive 560mm f/5.6 lens - of course I won't buy it; but it's a sign Pentax is back in business. Even the rumoured K-5 II would be a very capable and I'd guess popular camera; and they MUST have such a camera before going higher-end.

09-09-2012, 04:13 AM	#172
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	I think that the AF on my K-5 is not too bad, though I do get a slightly higher hit rate on moving subjects with my Nikon. So, any improvement in AF will be welcome, although I'm not displeased with present performance. The K-5 without a low pass filter sounds great to me, and if true, I shall definitely be in the market for one. It would have all the resolution I need for my type of photography. Unlike many, I would not be disappointed if the current rumours come to fruition. I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really NEED full frame?

09-09-2012, 04:27 AM	#173
vespats Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 128	where do all those rumors about the missing low pass filter come from? The only sensor I know that allows that is the x-trans cmos from fujifilm. If this is put in the K5 MkII it is a selling point. But I do not believe Fujifilm is giving up what separates them from the others

09-09-2012, 04:34 AM	#174
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ENicolas It hunts like a bird dog in low light situations. Perhaps, the degree to which depending on your lens, the light type etc etc. But name a camera that doesn't have some problems doing AF with low light and low contrast subjects. Google will find you millions of examples. Even the reigning DxOMark low-light and sports-shooting king the Nikon D3s has lots of user reports of focussing problems in low light. The K-5 may have AF issues, but in low light it isn't alone.

09-09-2012, 04:38 AM - 1 Like	#175
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by rawr The K-5 may have AF issues, but in low light it isn't alone. What about issues with fast prime lenses? Isn't K-5 alone too?

09-09-2012, 04:39 AM	#176
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by vespats where do all those rumors about the missing low pass filter come from? The only sensor I know that allows that is the x-trans cmos from fujifilm. If this is put in the K5 MkII it is a selling point. But I do not believe Fujifilm is giving up what separates them from the others A "classical" Sony sensor allows to suppress the low-pass filter too: see Nikon D800E.

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09-09-2012, 04:41 AM	#177
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Edvinas What about issues with fast prime lenses? Isn't K-5 alone too? Absolutely. The K-5 is the only camera on the market unable to AF with fast prime lenses. It's a well known fact. Pentax really needs to eliminate this unique flaw of the K-5.

09-09-2012, 04:43 AM	#178
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	K5 but : 1. Sharper 2. Even better AF 3. Faster processing power 4. No megapix overload (16mp and not 24) 5. Potentially a bit better ISO performance without the AA filter 6. Same winning size and handling What is there not to like other than "Its still using the K7>K5 design" (lame criticism to me) The K5 is as relevant today as it was 2yrs ago. Still the best bayer type APS-C camera in DR and high ISO with chroma noise suppression 2nd to none. As a K5 replacement, it makes sense (an improvement over the K5). For existing K5 users and those who want more, wait for the K3 or the FF.

09-09-2012, 06:39 AM	#179
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan The K-5 without a low pass filter sounds great to me, and if true, I shall definitely be in the market for one. Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really NEED full frame? Need is a funny word. Do you need a k-5 without a low pass filter?

09-09-2012, 06:51 AM	#180
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667 Original Poster	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Need is a funny word. Do you need a k-5 without a low pass filter? Easily fixed Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan: I know that many are hoping for a full frame camera, and while that would be nice, how many really ~~NEED~~ WANT full frame?