Pentax K-5 II/s rumor update (w/images)...

**Deimos** · 09-09-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

You're angry that on *pentax*forums- not photographyforums - people incessantly talk about possible Pentax cameras?

If everybody was just "talking" I wouldnt be miffed, the general tone on here recently and response to basically any news has been negative and dark. Despite the fact that much news so far is promising.

I dont even need a FF, but I still think Pentax will make one with the 24.3 FF sensor everyone else and their dog will be using in the next year. I just hope they announce something soon so at least the whining can shift from whether they are making a FF (and if not they are doomed/im leaving) to what the specs are

Even if all we get is this mythical K-5II/s it does sound like quite the upgrade

Last edited by Deimos; 09-09-2012 at 10:22 AM.

**Deimos** · 09-09-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

I found the answer to my own question about price for the Mk II's

"Two more leaks: the Pentax K-5 II and Pentax K-5 IIs DSLR cameras will replace the current K-5 model and are expected to hit stores in mid-October. The K-5 II Japanese price is expected to be ¥110,000 (around $1,400) the K-5 IIs will cost around ¥120,000 (around $1,500)."

Read more on PhotoRumors.com: Pentax K-5 II and K-5 IIs DSLR cameras | Photo Rumors

I wonder if they will really reuse K-5 body with only very minor changes. Not much reason to change it unless internals required it. And the productions lines are already tried tested and true (and likely well paid for by now)

Docrwm · 09-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Deimos

I wonder if they will really reuse K-5 body with only very minor changes. Not much reason to change it unless internals required it. And the productions lines are already tried tested and true (and likely well paid for by now)

I agree. The changes listed do not appear to require any external change. So, same body, same WR, same grip fittings, etc. which are all pluses in my book.

Alizarine · 09-09-2012, 10:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Docrwm

I agree. The changes listed do not appear to require any external change.

As far as external form is concerned, could there by any other way to top the K-5? It's so... close to perfection.

MPrince · 09-09-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Tom S.

Would that be Pentax - the original company, or Pentax - the Hoya company, or Pentax - the Ricoh company?

I don't see what that matters. Regardless of ownership, Pentax has given no indication over the years that a 135 format dslr was in the works or in the plans.

Sure, that could change at anytime. That's why I said the surprise will be if they do announce a 135 format dslr. It's no surprise at all that up to this point there is no such indication.

Blue · 09-09-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by NightPorter

Just repeat the old model and still using APSC senor.

Do you know APSC senor uses in mirrorless camera which is a trend in the market
And FF camera is coming popular (competitive price) in DSLR market today
But Pentax never respect and heard it's supporters voices

I must have dreamed that there was a K-01 out there.

hangman43 · 09-09-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Caat

My concern about the K-5II and K-5IIs is that because we have images of this model and that Pentax are making two versions of it we won't see a higher end model (e.g. the K-3).

A refreshed K-5 is a good idea if the price gets lowered a bit and the refreshed elements are genuinely useful. I am disappointed that we aren't getting an articulated display as this would help justify a refresh. However it only truly makes sense if we see a higher end / more advanced model because otherwise Pentax will start to fall behind the competition.

Why is everybody wanting a articulating screen name one high end camera that has one there is a reason for that there is no way to make one that is tough enough or reliable enough to withstand the torture that the body itself takes. It just makes a weak spot that would be more trouble than it is worth if the new K-5 replacement has a articulating screen I will defiantly be skipping it and waiting for the K-3 or whatever they come out with as the high end camera.

Blue · 09-09-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by MPrince

I don't see what that matters. Regardless of ownership, Pentax has given no indication over the years that a 135 format dslr was in the works or in the plans.

Sure, that could change at anytime. That's why I said the surprise will be if they do announce a 135 format dslr. It's no surprise at all that up to this point there is no such indication.

I think what Tom was getting at is that Ricoh Pentax isn't bound to anything said by the Hoya boys or Pentax when it was independent.

Caat · 09-09-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by hangman43

Why is everybody wanting a articulating screen name one high end camera that has one there is a reason for that there is no way to make one that is tough enough or reliable enough to withstand the torture that the body itself takes. It just makes a weak spot that would be more trouble than it is worth if the new K-5 replacement has a articulating screen I will defiantly be skipping it and waiting for the K-3 or whatever they come out with as the high end camera.

I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour.

And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded.

You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras?

**Deimos** · 09-09-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Caat

I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour.

And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded.

You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras?

I would imagine that it would make weathersealing problematic though or at least more expensive.

Raffwal · 09-09-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Deimos

Cant wait for all the whiners to leave, this forum is getting really unpleasant... God people need to take some photos or go buy a FF. ... <stomps, throws a tantrum, and runs off to the crib with blankey in hand>"... they sure as hell aren't going to rush it because some whiners on PF threaten to jump ship.

You know, you DON'T have to read the news and rumors threads if other people's views wind you up that bad. And whining about whining is whining too.

Caat · 09-09-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Deimos

I would imagine that it would make weathersealing problematic though or at least more expensive.

it may make it marginally more expensive because you need one or two extra seals but that didn't stop Olympus produce extremely reliable weathersealing.

hangman43 · 09-09-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Caat

I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour.

And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded.

You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras?

With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it?

Docrwm · 09-09-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by hangman43

With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it?

Their OLYMPUS OM-D E-M5 is weather sealed and has a tilting screen. Not what I would call fully articulated but it does move. It's really too new to know what the reliability figures are on the screen yet (released in April as I recall).

Caat · 09-09-2012, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by hangman43

With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it?

Both the E-5 and the E-3 are weathersealed with articulating screens.

Personally I could get a lot of use out of an articulating screen for macro, tripod and more creative shooting.

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09-09-2012, 10:16 AM	#196
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Originally posted by ElJamoquio You're angry that on pentaxforums- not photographyforums - people incessantly talk about possible Pentax cameras? If everybody was just "talking" I wouldnt be miffed, the general tone on here recently and response to basically any news has been negative and dark. Despite the fact that much news so far is promising. I dont even need a FF, but I still think Pentax will make one with the 24.3 FF sensor everyone else and their dog will be using in the next year. I just hope they announce something soon so at least the whining can shift from whether they are making a FF (and if not they are doomed/im leaving) to what the specs are Even if all we get is this mythical K-5II/s it does sound like quite the upgrade Last edited by Deimos; 09-09-2012 at 10:22 AM.

09-09-2012, 10:28 AM	#197
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Originally posted by Docrwm I found the answer to my own question about price for the Mk II's "Two more leaks: the Pentax K-5 II and Pentax K-5 IIs DSLR cameras will replace the current K-5 model and are expected to hit stores in mid-October. The K-5 II Japanese price is expected to be ¥110,000 (around $1,400) the K-5 IIs will cost around ¥120,000 (around $1,500)." Read more on PhotoRumors.com: Pentax K-5 II and K-5 IIs DSLR cameras \| Photo Rumors I wonder if they will really reuse K-5 body with only very minor changes. Not much reason to change it unless internals required it. And the productions lines are already tried tested and true (and likely well paid for by now)

09-09-2012, 10:37 AM	#198
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Deimos I wonder if they will really reuse K-5 body with only very minor changes. Not much reason to change it unless internals required it. And the productions lines are already tried tested and true (and likely well paid for by now) I agree. The changes listed do not appear to require any external change. So, same body, same WR, same grip fittings, etc. which are all pluses in my book.

09-09-2012, 10:45 AM - 1 Like	#199
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by Docrwm I agree. The changes listed do not appear to require any external change. As far as external form is concerned, could there by any other way to top the K-5? It's so... close to perfection.

09-09-2012, 10:52 AM	#200
MPrince Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WV Posts: 1,495	Originally posted by Tom S. Would that be Pentax - the original company, or Pentax - the Hoya company, or Pentax - the Ricoh company? I don't see what that matters. Regardless of ownership, Pentax has given no indication over the years that a 135 format dslr was in the works or in the plans. Sure, that could change at anytime. That's why I said the surprise will be if they do announce a 135 format dslr. It's no surprise at all that up to this point there is no such indication.

09-09-2012, 10:59 AM	#201
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by NightPorter Just repeat the old model and still using APSC senor. Do you know APSC senor uses in mirrorless camera which is a trend in the market And FF camera is coming popular (competitive price) in DSLR market today But Pentax never respect and heard it's supporters voices I must have dreamed that there was a K-01 out there.

09-09-2012, 10:59 AM	#202
hangman43 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Hueytown, Alabama Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,508	Originally posted by Caat My concern about the K-5II and K-5IIs is that because we have images of this model and that Pentax are making two versions of it we won't see a higher end model (e.g. the K-3). A refreshed K-5 is a good idea if the price gets lowered a bit and the refreshed elements are genuinely useful. I am disappointed that we aren't getting an articulated display as this would help justify a refresh. However it only truly makes sense if we see a higher end / more advanced model because otherwise Pentax will start to fall behind the competition. Why is everybody wanting a articulating screen name one high end camera that has one there is a reason for that there is no way to make one that is tough enough or reliable enough to withstand the torture that the body itself takes. It just makes a weak spot that would be more trouble than it is worth if the new K-5 replacement has a articulating screen I will defiantly be skipping it and waiting for the K-3 or whatever they come out with as the high end camera.

09-09-2012, 11:02 AM	#203
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by MPrince I don't see what that matters. Regardless of ownership, Pentax has given no indication over the years that a 135 format dslr was in the works or in the plans. Sure, that could change at anytime. That's why I said the surprise will be if they do announce a 135 format dslr. It's no surprise at all that up to this point there is no such indication. I think what Tom was getting at is that Ricoh Pentax isn't bound to anything said by the Hoya boys or Pentax when it was independent.

09-09-2012, 11:03 AM	#204
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by hangman43 Why is everybody wanting a articulating screen name one high end camera that has one there is a reason for that there is no way to make one that is tough enough or reliable enough to withstand the torture that the body itself takes. It just makes a weak spot that would be more trouble than it is worth if the new K-5 replacement has a articulating screen I will defiantly be skipping it and waiting for the K-3 or whatever they come out with as the high end camera. I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour. And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded. You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras?

09-09-2012, 11:06 AM	#205
Deimos Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingdom of Wonder Posts: 1,777	Originally posted by Caat I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour. And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded. You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras? I would imagine that it would make weathersealing problematic though or at least more expensive.

09-09-2012, 11:06 AM	#206
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Originally posted by Deimos Cant wait for all the whiners to leave, this forum is getting really unpleasant... God people need to take some photos or go buy a FF. ... <stomps, throws a tantrum, and runs off to the crib with blankey in hand>"... they sure as hell aren't going to rush it because some whiners on PF threaten to jump ship. You know, you DON'T have to read the news and rumors threads if other people's views wind you up that bad. And whining about whining is whining too.

09-09-2012, 11:09 AM	#207
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by Deimos I would imagine that it would make weathersealing problematic though or at least more expensive. it may make it marginally more expensive because you need one or two extra seals but that didn't stop Olympus produce extremely reliable weathersealing.

09-09-2012, 11:26 AM	#208
hangman43 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Hueytown, Alabama Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,508	Originally posted by Caat I only mention it because the articulating screen was part of the original K-5n rumour. And also an articulating screen doesn't make the camera inherently less durable. For a start if someone is that paranoid about it they don't have to use it. Also Olympus has show several times that this concern is largely unfounded. You talk about torture the body takes - what do you do to your cameras? With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it?

09-09-2012, 11:29 AM	#209
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by hangman43 With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it? Their OLYMPUS OM-D E-M5 is weather sealed and has a tilting screen. Not what I would call fully articulated but it does move. It's really too new to know what the reliability figures are on the screen yet (released in April as I recall).

09-09-2012, 11:31 AM	#210
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by hangman43 With all the crawling around through the trees and bushes chasing bugs I just give mine minor torture but I can see where I could break it off. Olympus as far as I know has never made a weather sealed articulating screen if it is not weather sealed it would not work to say just do not use it because the fact that it was there would make the whole camera not weather sealed. Articulating screens are on the lower end cameras as a selling point for the people that move up from a point and shoot that will use live view more than the view finder or the ones doing more video than still shots. I have used live view on my 3 Pentax DSLR's a grand total of 4 times in the last 4 years and 2 of those were to try out the video on the K-x and the K-5. Why would I spend the money to have a rugged Magnesium frame camera just to have a little flimsy plastic LCD hanging off the back of it? Both the E-5 and the E-3 are weathersealed with articulating screens. Personally I could get a lot of use out of an articulating screen for macro, tripod and more creative shooting.