Pentax K-5 II/s rumor update (w/images)...

Allison · 09-10-2012, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

But if a K-3 were to come out... hmm. I wonder how much that one will cost. If the D600 comes out at let's say $2000 to $2300, will a 24-mp K-3 be good enough to challenge it?

Not if it is a very similar price and aps-c. I just don't see people staying on crop sensor if they can get into ff for the same price. This is where the lens roller coaster hurts them. You could argue a better affordablity in lenses, but now...not such a huge advantage. Keeping the same grip is good, but not enough.

IMO the k5 II rumored improvements are weak. Canon went from a 5d mark II to a mark III this year and those changes were much more significant. They also had a change in AF and it was huge. I just don't think these rumored changes are enough to warrant a significantly higher price. I also don't think they will entice every k5 owner out there to run out and upgrade. Many of us are going to either wait for the k3 or a decent FF rumor.

I don't know, maybe I am just disappointed by the rumors (or lack of...). I understand that getting a FF ready in such a short time was impossible, but use a well timed rumor/leak to assure your client base that you do plan to keep moving forward.

davidsladek · 09-10-2012, 05:00 AM

Allison, have you actually seen the changes in action? How can you be disappointed by something that is only a rumour at this stage and compare it to something that's already materialised?

janneman · 09-10-2012, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Allison

Not if it is a very similar price and aps-c. I just don't see people staying on crop sensor if they can get into ff for the same price. .

But what kind of FF do you get for that price? It will be FF entry level. I don't think those are as capable as the FF's we are all talking about.

Edvinas · 09-10-2012, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Nitrok

- Supports up to ~ +18 EV-3EV is AF. High accuracy corresponding to the luminous flux of F2.8

Does this mean that new AF system will have precise f/2.8 AF sensor?

Uluru · 09-10-2012, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by Mace

I also agree that we cannot expect too much influence from Ricoh in these products. One year is really short to change a product line. Don't forget, that in order to produce a new camera, you will have to calculate potential market shares, identify needs, calculate cost benefits of it, design the camera, overcome technical issues, change your machines, agree with your suppliers (e.g. beg sony to make their sensor available), give them details about the pieces that they will have to supply, set up new delivery plans with your suppliers ...

What on Earth are you talking about?
Since when you work for Pentax / Ricoh to have any positive clue about the inner workings, trade agreements, technology exchange and deals in general in the imaging industry?

Blue · 09-10-2012, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by MPrince

And what I'm getting at is it doesn't matter who owns/owned Pentax.

Whether or not Pentax has been independent or a subsidiary, there is a history of dedication to the APS-C format.

Ricoh has owned Pentax for over a year now. In that year, they have given no indication that they intend to introduce a 135 format dslr. Therefore, the suprise will be if they do announce one, not that they haven't.

I don't understand why so many people seem to be having so much difficulty grasping that simple concept.

The comments we made wasn't about whether or not anyone would be surprised either way. They were that Pentax Ricoh isn't bound by a press comment made under Hoya. That is a very simple concept to grasp.

However, Pentax did spent time and R&D developing a full frame digital body.

JohnBee · 09-10-2012, 05:15 AM

Specs added....

Uluru · 09-10-2012, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by davidsladek

Allison, have you actually seen the changes in action? How can you be disappointed by something that is only a rumour at this stage and compare it to something that's already materialised?

Now you're becoming too serious; are people supposed to be disappointed only on the face value of FACTS?
Rumours and nonsense excluded from making complains about non-material things?

Caat · 09-10-2012, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by janneman

That is what it was said to be. a K-5 with some tweaks, "Prime other than II" would probably be something entirely new, most likely the K-3 which I have doubts about if they release two K-5II versions, at least this photokina.

The problem is though that I thought that Prime M was what enabled the K-01 and K-30's improved video modes along with general operational speed enhancements. It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements.

Uluru · 09-10-2012, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by Blue

However, Pentax did spent time and R&D developing a full frame digital body.

Are you referring at an experiment from the year of 2000, or are you an R&D team leader at Pentax/Ricoh?

rawr · 09-10-2012, 05:24 AM

Pentax Spain has also just removed the (three) twitter posts it made about the K-5II and Q10. Now there's nothing there except some old stuff from 6 Sept:
Pentax Ricoh España (PentaxSpain) on Twitter

The purge continues.

Uluru · 09-10-2012, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by Caat

The problem is though that I thought that Prime M was what enabled the K-01 and K-30's improved video modes along with general operational speed enhancements. It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements.

How do you guess that without any official announcement about the K5-II's image engine peculiar details?

JohnBee · 09-10-2012, 05:25 AM

Official image of K-5 II added...

Caat · 09-10-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Uluru

How do you guess that without any official announcement about the K5-II's image engine peculiar details?

Because the spec list that's doing the rounds says Prime II.

Of course this could be wrong hence my use of the words "It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements"

philippe · 09-10-2012, 05:32 AM

This morning, I went to the Benelux Pentax Service Centre in Antwerp to have a focussing issue with my FA 77 mm solved.
While waiting for my gear to be serviced, checked and tested; yes, they did it for the whole bunch: K-5 + DA 15 mm + DA 21 mm + DA 35 mm macro + FA 43 mm + FA 77 mm and the DA 100 mm macro, in two hours and for free!
Well, while waiting, I had a chat with a Pentax men, he told me that a K-5n will be presented on the next Photokina. This K-5n, n from new I suppose, will be a 'musculled' K-5 to which the best K-30 features will be added,"... and somme more". And no K-3 or what so ever, that's all he wanted to tell, "Wait and see" he said...

Off course he's just telling what he wants to, or is allowed to, but that mysterious at-the-same-time giving and withholding information is rather exiting isn't it?

It's all part of the game!

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09-10-2012, 04:57 AM	#301
Allison Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 667	Originally posted by Alizarine But if a K-3 were to come out... hmm. I wonder how much that one will cost. If the D600 comes out at let's say $2000 to $2300, will a 24-mp K-3 be good enough to challenge it? Not if it is a very similar price and aps-c. I just don't see people staying on crop sensor if they can get into ff for the same price. This is where the lens roller coaster hurts them. You could argue a better affordablity in lenses, but now...not such a huge advantage. Keeping the same grip is good, but not enough. IMO the k5 II rumored improvements are weak. Canon went from a 5d mark II to a mark III this year and those changes were much more significant. They also had a change in AF and it was huge. I just don't think these rumored changes are enough to warrant a significantly higher price. I also don't think they will entice every k5 owner out there to run out and upgrade. Many of us are going to either wait for the k3 or a decent FF rumor. I don't know, maybe I am just disappointed by the rumors (or lack of...). I understand that getting a FF ready in such a short time was impossible, but use a well timed rumor/leak to assure your client base that you do plan to keep moving forward.

09-10-2012, 05:00 AM	#302
davidsladek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 346	Allison, have you actually seen the changes in action? How can you be disappointed by something that is only a rumour at this stage and compare it to something that's already materialised?

09-10-2012, 05:05 AM	#303
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by Allison Not if it is a very similar price and aps-c. I just don't see people staying on crop sensor if they can get into ff for the same price. . But what kind of FF do you get for that price? It will be FF entry level. I don't think those are as capable as the FF's we are all talking about.

09-10-2012, 05:08 AM	#304
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by Nitrok - Supports up to ~ +18 EV-3EV is AF. High accuracy corresponding to the luminous flux of F2.8 Does this mean that new AF system will have precise f/2.8 AF sensor?

09-10-2012, 05:13 AM	#305
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Mace I also agree that we cannot expect too much influence from Ricoh in these products. One year is really short to change a product line. Don't forget, that in order to produce a new camera, you will have to calculate potential market shares, identify needs, calculate cost benefits of it, design the camera, overcome technical issues, change your machines, agree with your suppliers (e.g. beg sony to make their sensor available), give them details about the pieces that they will have to supply, set up new delivery plans with your suppliers ... What on Earth are you talking about? Since when you work for Pentax / Ricoh to have any positive clue about the inner workings, trade agreements, technology exchange and deals in general in the imaging industry?

09-10-2012, 05:14 AM	#306
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by MPrince And what I'm getting at is it doesn't matter who owns/owned Pentax. Whether or not Pentax has been independent or a subsidiary, there is a history of dedication to the APS-C format. Ricoh has owned Pentax for over a year now. In that year, they have given no indication that they intend to introduce a 135 format dslr. Therefore, the suprise will be if they do announce one, not that they haven't. I don't understand why so many people seem to be having so much difficulty grasping that simple concept. The comments we made wasn't about whether or not anyone would be surprised either way. They were that Pentax Ricoh isn't bound by a press comment made under Hoya. That is a very simple concept to grasp. However, Pentax did spent time and R&D developing a full frame digital body.

09-10-2012, 05:15 AM	#307
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667 Original Poster	Specs added....

09-10-2012, 05:18 AM	#308
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by davidsladek Allison, have you actually seen the changes in action? How can you be disappointed by something that is only a rumour at this stage and compare it to something that's already materialised? Now you're becoming too serious; are people supposed to be disappointed only on the face value of FACTS? Rumours and nonsense excluded from making complains about non-material things?

09-10-2012, 05:19 AM	#309
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by janneman That is what it was said to be. a K-5 with some tweaks, "Prime other than II" would probably be something entirely new, most likely the K-3 which I have doubts about if they release two K-5II versions, at least this photokina. The problem is though that I thought that Prime M was what enabled the K-01 and K-30's improved video modes along with general operational speed enhancements. It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements.

09-10-2012, 05:20 AM	#310
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Blue However, Pentax did spent time and R&D developing a full frame digital body. Are you referring at an experiment from the year of 2000, or are you an R&D team leader at Pentax/Ricoh?

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09-10-2012, 05:24 AM	#311
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Pentax Spain has also just removed the (three) twitter posts it made about the K-5II and Q10. Now there's nothing there except some old stuff from 6 Sept: Pentax Ricoh España (PentaxSpain) on Twitter The purge continues.

09-10-2012, 05:25 AM	#312
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Caat The problem is though that I thought that Prime M was what enabled the K-01 and K-30's improved video modes along with general operational speed enhancements. It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements. How do you guess that without any official announcement about the K5-II's image engine peculiar details?

09-10-2012, 05:25 AM	#313
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667 Original Poster	Official image of K-5 II added...

09-10-2012, 05:27 AM	#314
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by Uluru How do you guess that without any official announcement about the K5-II's image engine peculiar details? Because the spec list that's doing the rounds says Prime II. Of course this could be wrong hence my use of the words "It sounds like the K-5II may lack these improvements"

09-10-2012, 05:32 AM	#315
philippe Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Flanders Fields Posts: 463	This morning, I went to the Benelux Pentax Service Centre in Antwerp to have a focussing issue with my FA 77 mm solved. While waiting for my gear to be serviced, checked and tested; yes, they did it for the whole bunch: K-5 + DA 15 mm + DA 21 mm + DA 35 mm macro + FA 43 mm + FA 77 mm and the DA 100 mm macro, in two hours and for free! Well, while waiting, I had a chat with a Pentax men, he told me that a K-5n will be presented on the next Photokina. This K-5n, n from new I suppose, will be a 'musculled' K-5 to which the best K-30 features will be added,"... and somme more". And no K-3 or what so ever, that's all he wanted to tell, "Wait and see" he said... Off course he's just telling what he wants to, or is allowed to, but that mysterious at-the-same-time giving and withholding information is rather exiting isn't it? It's all part of the game!