Pentax product announcements scheduled today at 6pm EST

**crewl1** · 09-10-2012, 12:37 PM

Because Canon doesn't share, and Pentax already has a history/relationship with Sony sensors (as do other cam makers.)

JohnBee · 09-10-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Franky2step

Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor in a new Pentax full frame instead of the Sony/Nikon sensor? Just asking

???

Franky2step · 09-10-2012, 12:40 PM

I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate hving to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5

thibs · 09-10-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Franky2step

Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor in a new Pentax full frame instead of the Sony/Nikon sensor? Just asking

Canon NEVER ever did share one of their sensors.

But they use Sony sensors in their compact cams

Warpig · 09-10-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by ducdao

It seems we all have a lot of time to kill until 6pm EST eh

I'll go grab some beer then.

glanglois · 09-10-2012, 12:44 PM

Did you check DXOmark on this subject? While the Mk III sensor is nearly a stop better in ISO, as would be expected simply from being FF, DR is actually less than K-5. IOW, not much special in the Canon sensor.

Now, if you think you can talk Nikon into sharing their D800 sensor (if it really is theirs), that would be an interesting move.

Malsi · 09-10-2012, 12:51 PM

1:00 am

... I will not go to bed early but I hope that it is not a rumor

...

NickLarsson · 09-10-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by JohnBee

I don't want to be the instigator in all of this but...

Eastern Standard Time (EST)
2:02:28 PM
Monday, 10 September 2012

Only 4 hours to go people

Is there a website where we can follow it live ? Like an Apple keynote maybe ?

Kikool_CH · 09-10-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Franky2step

I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate having to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5

Well, I own both a K-5 and a 5D MKII. Frankly, both have their advantages and drawbacks.

The mix -a kind of K-5 with the 5D sensor- would be quite tempting as Pentax ergonomics and functions are far superior (please just grab/add the f2.8 central AF point of the Canon). But if one can recover nearly 1EV from the highlights, just push the shadows by 2EV and you will see what banding means...

At ISO 800 one has to use NR on the Canon. At ISO 6400/8000 and sometimes even higher, it's possible to get consistent images from the K-5. Good luck with the 5D... Well, it might just be mine, and I must admit I'm not that experienced with it yet.

Am desperately waiting for Pentax to lauch that rumored 24Mp FF so that I could stop carrying 2 brands. It starts to become heavy and expensive

**jeffshaddix** · 09-10-2012, 01:19 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by NickLarsson

Is there a website where we can follow it live ? Like an Apple keynote maybe ?

Here ya go:
Pentax Announcement Countdown

ElJamoquio · 09-10-2012, 01:24 PM

Where would be the first place to have a record of the announcement? Pentax's website? (not likely)? Here?

rclphoto · 09-10-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Where would be the first place to have a record of the announcement? Pentax's website? (not likely)? Here?

I just got this through facebook; someone leaked all the products on one page:

Pentax Photokina 2012 Announcements - pentaxpricewatch.com

DanWeso · 09-10-2012, 01:42 PM

check the PF home page.

rawr · 09-10-2012, 01:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Franky2step

Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor [...] I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate hving to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5

Wat?

The 5D2 sensor is ancient tech. Who would want that. Having worked with the 5D2, I can confirm it has plenty of noise, and banding, and low DR.

And I don't think I've ever heard of anyone ever having any noise problems with the K-5 at only ISO 800. At that ISO, K-5 output is very, very clean.

If Pentax went with a Canon FF sensor, which will never happen in a million years since Canon keep their sensors to themselves, the one in the 5D3 would be the one to choose.

sb in ak · 09-10-2012, 01:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kikool_CH

Well, I own both a K-5 and a 5D MKII. Frankly, both have their advantages and drawbacks.

The mix -a kind of K-5 with the 5D sensor- would be quite tempting as Pentax ergonomics and functions are far superior (please just grab/add the f2.8 central AF point of the Canon). But if one can recover nearly 1EV from the highlights, just push the shadows by 2EV and you will see what banding means...

At ISO 800 one has to use NR on the Canon. At ISO 6400/8000 and sometimes even higher, it's possible to get consistent images from the K-5. Good luck with the 5D... Well, it might just be mine, and I must admit I'm not that experienced with it yet.

Am desperately waiting for Pentax to lauch that rumored 24Mp FF so that I could stop carrying 2 brands. It starts to become heavy and expensive

I shoot with a 5DII & K5 also. If one of them came out with a small full frame with WR, I'd be back to one brand in a heartbeat.

09-10-2012, 12:44 PM	#51
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Did you check DXOmark on this subject? While the Mk III sensor is nearly a stop better in ISO, as would be expected simply from being FF, DR is actually less than K-5. IOW, not much special in the Canon sensor. Now, if you think you can talk Nikon into sharing their D800 sensor (if it really is theirs), that would be an interesting move. Last edited by glanglois; 09-10-2012 at 01:00 PM.

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09-10-2012, 12:37 PM	#46
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Because Canon doesn't share, and Pentax already has a history/relationship with Sony sensors (as do other cam makers.)

09-10-2012, 12:37 PM	#47
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667 Original Poster	Originally posted by Franky2step Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor in a new Pentax full frame instead of the Sony/Nikon sensor? Just asking ???

09-10-2012, 12:40 PM	#48
Franky2step Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Niagara Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 793	I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate hving to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5

09-10-2012, 12:41 PM	#49
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Franky2step Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor in a new Pentax full frame instead of the Sony/Nikon sensor? Just asking Canon NEVER ever did share one of their sensors. But they use Sony sensors in their compact cams

09-10-2012, 12:43 PM	#50
Warpig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Temuco, Chile Posts: 53	Originally posted by ducdao It seems we all have a lot of time to kill until 6pm EST eh I'll go grab some beer then.

09-10-2012, 12:51 PM	#52
Malsi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Versailles Posts: 298	1:00 am ... I will not go to bed early but I hope that it is not a rumor ...

09-10-2012, 01:10 PM	#53
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	Originally posted by JohnBee I don't want to be the instigator in all of this but... Eastern Standard Time (EST) 2:02:28 PM Monday, 10 September 2012 Only 4 hours to go people Is there a website where we can follow it live ? Like an Apple keynote maybe ?

09-10-2012, 01:14 PM	#54
Kikool_CH New Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18	Originally posted by Franky2step I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate having to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5 Well, I own both a K-5 and a 5D MKII. Frankly, both have their advantages and drawbacks. The mix -a kind of K-5 with the 5D sensor- would be quite tempting as Pentax ergonomics and functions are far superior (please just grab/add the f2.8 central AF point of the Canon). But if one can recover nearly 1EV from the highlights, just push the shadows by 2EV and you will see what banding means... At ISO 800 one has to use NR on the Canon. At ISO 6400/8000 and sometimes even higher, it's possible to get consistent images from the K-5. Good luck with the 5D... Well, it might just be mine, and I must admit I'm not that experienced with it yet. Am desperately waiting for Pentax to lauch that rumored 24Mp FF so that I could stop carrying 2 brands. It starts to become heavy and expensive

09-10-2012, 01:19 PM - 1 Like	#55
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	Originally posted by NickLarsson Is there a website where we can follow it live ? Like an Apple keynote maybe ? Here ya go: Pentax Announcement Countdown

09-10-2012, 01:24 PM	#56
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Where would be the first place to have a record of the announcement? Pentax's website? (not likely)? Here?

09-10-2012, 01:31 PM	#57
rclphoto New Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Where would be the first place to have a record of the announcement? Pentax's website? (not likely)? Here? I just got this through facebook; someone leaked all the products on one page: Pentax Photokina 2012 Announcements - pentaxpricewatch.com

09-10-2012, 01:42 PM	#58
DanWeso Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 191	check the PF home page.

09-10-2012, 01:44 PM - 1 Like	#59
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Franky2step Is there a reason Pentax/Ricoh wouldn't use the Canon 5D MKII 21mp ff sensor [...] I'd be happy with that Canon sensor, ff, low noise, etc. I hate hving to use noise reduction on ISO800 shots from my K5 Wat? The 5D2 sensor is ancient tech. Who would want that. Having worked with the 5D2, I can confirm it has plenty of noise, and banding, and low DR. And I don't think I've ever heard of anyone ever having any noise problems with the K-5 at only ISO 800. At that ISO, K-5 output is very, very clean. If Pentax went with a Canon FF sensor, which will never happen in a million years since Canon keep their sensors to themselves, the one in the 5D3 would be the one to choose.

09-10-2012, 01:47 PM - 1 Like	#60
sb in ak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 612	Originally posted by Kikool_CH Well, I own both a K-5 and a 5D MKII. Frankly, both have their advantages and drawbacks. The mix -a kind of K-5 with the 5D sensor- would be quite tempting as Pentax ergonomics and functions are far superior (please just grab/add the f2.8 central AF point of the Canon). But if one can recover nearly 1EV from the highlights, just push the shadows by 2EV and you will see what banding means... At ISO 800 one has to use NR on the Canon. At ISO 6400/8000 and sometimes even higher, it's possible to get consistent images from the K-5. Good luck with the 5D... Well, it might just be mine, and I must admit I'm not that experienced with it yet. Am desperately waiting for Pentax to lauch that rumored 24Mp FF so that I could stop carrying 2 brands. It starts to become heavy and expensive I shoot with a 5DII & K5 also. If one of them came out with a small full frame with WR, I'd be back to one brand in a heartbeat.