The Rumors Were True - K-5 II, K-5IIs, Q10, 560mm, 18-270mm, and more!

rawr · 11-16-2014, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

the vignette is 1.3 stops

At that focal length vignetting of that order is not uncommon. It's not a reliable guide to the FF suitability of this lens.

This has been discussed in the past - somewhere on the forum there is a discussion that includes vignette images from equivalent FF Canon or Nikon telephotos that reveal heavy vignetting levels, some even more severe than the DA560, IIRC.

EDIT:
Found the old 2013 thread mentioned above, and the related image:
Theory why FF taking so long

Last edited by rawr; 11-16-2014 at 05:16 PM.

HavelockV · 11-17-2014, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by rawr

At that focal length vignetting of that order is not uncommon. It's not a reliable guide to the FF suitability of this lens.

Right. Whoever states that the DA 560 "is not FF" either has no knowledge or a personal agenda to make the lens look bad.

For one both the Canon 500/4 (vignettes up to 1,5 EV) and the Tamron 150-600 (vignettes up to 1,4 EV) would not be "FF suitable": Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM Lens Vignetting
Same applies to the Canon 600/4.
What a laugh.

Then every child would understand that a criterion has to be met at all scenarios, not only at a handchosen one you personally like or want. So if a certain degree of vignetting makes a lens a non-FF one then please look at the Sigma 35 Art: Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens Vignetting
Does a whopping 3,5 EV vignetting. Surely a mFT lens and no FF?

And no, it does not make sense to say "that is normal for...". Because if you follow this path then you can pretty much create any negative remark about anything and protect your personal favorites deliberately.
How about "a camera is not FF if it doesnt offer better dynamic range than all APSC cameras"? (which normally it should) Surely Canon does not offer ANY FF camera.

rawr · 11-17-2014, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by HavelockV

the Sigma 35 Art:

Yes indeed, that lens does have scary levels of vignetting, esp. on full-frame (from Lenstip):

Hard to believe, but the Canon 1.4/35L vignettes even more than the Sigma, according to Lenstip.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 11-17-2014, 05:44 AM

I'm not well up in my knowledge of optics, but wouldn't the 560 mm used with the teleconverter easily cover full frame, and bring almost the reach of that lens used on an APS-C body?

Mistral75 · 11-17-2014, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

I'm not well up in my knowledge of optics, but wouldn't the 560 mm used with the teleconverter easily cover full frame, and bring almost the reach of that lens used on an APS-C body?

It would (a teleconverter increases the image circle) but to the detriment of autofocus: 560mm f/5.6 x1.4 ≈ 800mm f/8.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-17-2014, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999.

This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris.

The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price.

For those of you who aren't familiar with the €/$ exchange rate and/or the European rules: €3,999 includes 20 per cent. VAT and therefore corresponds to approx. US$4,175 (excluding sales tax).

Well the price was to high. A no-go for the lens offerd.One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so. Als no images to see at Photokina from this lens. (but I missed many options on images that should sell equipement (like no sportsimages), but Ricoh Imaging doesn't understand that yet).

Mistral75 · 11-17-2014, 08:10 AM

There are very few images made with the DA 560mm available for download because there are very few copies of the lens in circulation. Chicken and egg...

HavelockV · 11-17-2014, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-17-2014, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by HavelockV

You should do a Google search...
Pentax DA 560mm, Objektiv, Afrika, Tiere, Abenteuer, Supertele, 560mm, Pentax - Lambo-Ansichten-Lambo-Expeditionen
Actually it seems the DA 560 plus the new TC are a match made in heaven, offering fine image Quality and nicely working AF.

So this last one is a German photographer and still no images in Germany on Photokina. How do you think people will find those images. Never had any doubt about the performance.

HavelockV · 11-17-2014, 10:08 AM

That they have to replace the resource sitting idly on the job for a marketing expert is a well known fact.

Basically you can say that the lady/guy who palys that role singlehandedly has been the Driver behind the Need to cut the MSRP.
In a way you could say if you suck at marketing you are good for the birders.

PePe · 11-17-2014, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999.

This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris.

The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price.

This is more or less what the price should have been right from the beginning.
I am not going to abandon my Sigma 500, but hope to see more pictures shot with the DA 560.

**jatrax** · 11-17-2014, 03:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by HavelockV

Right. Whoever states that the DA 560 "is not FF" either has no knowledge or a personal agenda to make the lens look bad.

That would be the Pentax Forum staff: DA 560mm F5.6 - is it a Full-frame lens? - Articles and Tips | PentaxForums.com I'm sure Adam will be surprised to know he has a 'personal agenda'

Chris Mak · 11-23-2014, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999.

This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris.

The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price.

For those of you who aren't familiar with the €/$ exchange rate and/or the European rules: €3,999 includes 20 per cent. VAT and therefore corresponds to approx. US$4,175 (excluding sales tax).

So does anybody know whether this was really announced? I just recently bought the DA560mm and can only say that it is fully worth its list price. It betters my Sigma 500/4.5 at resolving power, contrast and auto focus. Especially with the K3 this is a set-up that is truly high class. Almost a shame that Ricoh can not seem to sell them, but at the same time: if they dó lower the retail price of the DA560mm to 3999,-, it literally becomes a bargain, and they need to do sómething to get their name across as an attractive brand for serious wildlife and birding photography. Once they've got enough copies around in the hands of capable shooters, and establish their name amongst wildlife/birding photographers, they can raise the price to what it is really worth.

Chris

goubejp · 11-23-2014, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well the price was to high. A no-go for the lens offerd.One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so. Als no images to see at Photokina from this lens. (but I missed many options on images that should sell equipement (like no sportsimages), but Ricoh Imaging doesn't understand that yet).

Well I proposed myself to make such images forPentax France - I'm using a FA*600f4 usually. Guess what ? They didn't answer me. The most fun : for the Pentax lens brochure, to illustrate this 560, they have but an image of an european bee catcher.
see http://s2.media.ricoh-imaging.fr/media/1d4e72b257e16baa270f111123baf28b/K_Mount_Lens.pdf
See p 24 image fram Thibaud Epeche
After a sort research, I discovered that this was shot with the DA*300. So even in their official brochure they are not capable of finding good images shot with this lens. Poor marketing...

Thibaud · 11-23-2014, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by goubejp

Well I proposed myself to make such images forPentax France - I'm using a FA*600f4 usually. Guess what ? They didn't answer me. The most fun : for the Pentax lens brochure, to illustrate this 560, they have but an image of an european bee catcher.
see http://s2.media.ricoh-imaging.fr/media/1d4e72b257e16baa270f111123baf28b/K_Mount_Lens.pdf
See p 24 image fram Thibaud Epeche
After a sort research, I discovered that this was shot with the DA*300. So even in their official brochure they are not capable of finding good images shot with this lens. Poor marketing...

Yup, that's me.
The 560 wasn't ready at the time they did the brochure.

11-23-2014, 04:43 AM	#133
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by Mistral75 I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999. This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris. The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price. For those of you who aren't familiar with the €/$ exchange rate and/or the European rules: €3,999 includes 20 per cent. VAT and therefore corresponds to approx. US$4,175 (excluding sales tax). So does anybody know whether this was really announced? I just recently bought the DA560mm and can only say that it is fully worth its list price. It betters my Sigma 500/4.5 at resolving power, contrast and auto focus. Especially with the K3 this is a set-up that is truly high class. Almost a shame that Ricoh can not seem to sell them, but at the same time: if they dó lower the retail price of the DA560mm to 3999,-, it literally becomes a bargain, and they need to do sómething to get their name across as an attractive brand for serious wildlife and birding photography. Once they've got enough copies around in the hands of capable shooters, and establish their name amongst wildlife/birding photographers, they can raise the price to what it is really worth. Chris Last edited by Chris Mak; 11-23-2014 at 04:49 AM.

11-23-2014, 04:53 AM	#134
goubejp Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France Photos: Albums Posts: 804	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well the price was to high. A no-go for the lens offerd.One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so. Als no images to see at Photokina from this lens. (but I missed many options on images that should sell equipement (like no sportsimages), but Ricoh Imaging doesn't understand that yet). Well I proposed myself to make such images forPentax France - I'm using a FA600f4 usually. Guess what ? They didn't answer me. The most fun : for the Pentax lens brochure, to illustrate this 560, they have but an image of an european bee catcher. see http://s2.media.ricoh-imaging.fr/media/1d4e72b257e16baa270f111123baf28b/K_Mount_Lens.pdf See p 24 image fram Thibaud Epeche After a sort research, I discovered that this was shot with the DA300. So even in their official brochure they are not capable of finding good images shot with this lens. Poor marketing... Last edited by goubejp; 11-23-2014 at 04:58 AM.

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11-16-2014, 04:30 PM	#121
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by jatrax the vignette is 1.3 stops At that focal length vignetting of that order is not uncommon. It's not a reliable guide to the FF suitability of this lens. This has been discussed in the past - somewhere on the forum there is a discussion that includes vignette images from equivalent FF Canon or Nikon telephotos that reveal heavy vignetting levels, some even more severe than the DA560, IIRC. EDIT: Found the old 2013 thread mentioned above, and the related image: Theory why FF taking so long Last edited by rawr; 11-16-2014 at 05:16 PM.

11-17-2014, 04:37 AM	#122
HavelockV Guest	Originally posted by rawr At that focal length vignetting of that order is not uncommon. It's not a reliable guide to the FF suitability of this lens. Right. Whoever states that the DA 560 "is not FF" either has no knowledge or a personal agenda to make the lens look bad. For one both the Canon 500/4 (vignettes up to 1,5 EV) and the Tamron 150-600 (vignettes up to 1,4 EV) would not be "FF suitable": Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM Lens Vignetting Same applies to the Canon 600/4. What a laugh. Then every child would understand that a criterion has to be met at all scenarios, not only at a handchosen one you personally like or want. So if a certain degree of vignetting makes a lens a non-FF one then please look at the Sigma 35 Art: Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art Lens Vignetting Does a whopping 3,5 EV vignetting. Surely a mFT lens and no FF? And no, it does not make sense to say "that is normal for...". Because if you follow this path then you can pretty much create any negative remark about anything and protect your personal favorites deliberately. How about "a camera is not FF if it doesnt offer better dynamic range than all APSC cameras"? (which normally it should) Surely Canon does not offer ANY FF camera.

11-17-2014, 05:04 AM	#123
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by HavelockV the Sigma 35 Art: Yes indeed, that lens does have scary levels of vignetting, esp. on full-frame (from Lenstip): Hard to believe, but the Canon 1.4/35L vignettes even more than the Sigma, according to Lenstip.

11-17-2014, 05:44 AM	#124
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	I'm not well up in my knowledge of optics, but wouldn't the 560 mm used with the teleconverter easily cover full frame, and bring almost the reach of that lens used on an APS-C body?

11-17-2014, 06:31 AM	#125
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan I'm not well up in my knowledge of optics, but wouldn't the 560 mm used with the teleconverter easily cover full frame, and bring almost the reach of that lens used on an APS-C body? It would (a teleconverter increases the image circle) but to the detriment of autofocus: 560mm f/5.6 x1.4 ≈ 800mm f/8.

11-17-2014, 07:16 AM	#126
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Mistral75 I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999. This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris. The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price. For those of you who aren't familiar with the €/$ exchange rate and/or the European rules: €3,999 includes 20 per cent. VAT and therefore corresponds to approx. US$4,175 (excluding sales tax). Well the price was to high. A no-go for the lens offerd.One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so. Als no images to see at Photokina from this lens. (but I missed many options on images that should sell equipement (like no sportsimages), but Ricoh Imaging doesn't understand that yet).

11-17-2014, 08:10 AM	#127
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	There are very few images made with the DA 560mm available for download because there are very few copies of the lens in circulation. Chicken and egg...

11-17-2014, 08:47 AM	#128
HavelockV Guest	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 One other issue is that there are no images made with the lens available for download. I mean real images, made in Africa on safari or so. You should do a Google search... Just for fun 560 with 2 HD TC's stacked: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review check out the flickr Album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/121475335@N07/sets http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014101046_1200pxk33773.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014101050_1200pxk33790.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014101043_1200pxk33761.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014101058_1200pxk33972.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100517_1200pxk32503.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100520_1200pxk32561.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100523_1200pxk32613.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014070510_1200pxk30785.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100527_1200pxk32615.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100530_1200pxk32643.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100533_1200pxk32720.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100537_1200pxk32739.jpg http://pentaxians.eu/forumimages/2014/2/2_2014100540_1200pxk32808.jpg PvC001: Galleries: Digital Photography Review http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/files/g/TS1600x1600~3043581.jpg Pentax DA 560mm, Objektiv, Afrika, Tiere, Abenteuer, Supertele, 560mm, Pentax - Lambo-Ansichten-Lambo-Expeditionen Actually it seems the DA 560 plus the new TC are a match made in heaven, offering fine image Quality and nicely working AF.

11-17-2014, 08:59 AM	#129
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by HavelockV You should do a Google search... Pentax DA 560mm, Objektiv, Afrika, Tiere, Abenteuer, Supertele, 560mm, Pentax - Lambo-Ansichten-Lambo-Expeditionen Actually it seems the DA 560 plus the new TC are a match made in heaven, offering fine image Quality and nicely working AF. So this last one is a German photographer and still no images in Germany on Photokina. How do you think people will find those images. Never had any doubt about the performance.

11-17-2014, 10:08 AM	#130
HavelockV Guest	That they have to replace the resource sitting idly on the job for a marketing expert is a well known fact. Basically you can say that the lady/guy who palys that role singlehandedly has been the Driver behind the Need to cut the MSRP. In a way you could say if you suck at marketing you are good for the birders.

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11-17-2014, 12:39 PM	#131
PePe Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Helsinki, Finland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 597	Originally posted by Mistral75 I'm retrieving this thread from the forum's abyss to indicate the following: in Ricoh's so-called 'VIP lounge' at the French Salon de la Photo, I learned from the main retailer of Pentax gear in France that the DA 560's MSRP (€6,799 at launch, currently €5,499) would soon be lowered to €3,999. This should be announced during the international wildlife photo festival of Montier-en-Der (20th to 23rd November). And €3,999 is already the price of DA 560 in the Pentax Store that just opened in Paris. The reason for this price drop is simple: non-existent sales at current price. This is more or less what the price should have been right from the beginning. I am not going to abandon my Sigma 500, but hope to see more pictures shot with the DA 560.

11-17-2014, 03:48 PM - 1 Like	#132
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by HavelockV Right. Whoever states that the DA 560 "is not FF" either has no knowledge or a personal agenda to make the lens look bad. That would be the Pentax Forum staff: DA 560mm F5.6 - is it a Full-frame lens? - Articles and Tips \| PentaxForums.com I'm sure Adam will be surprised to know he has a 'personal agenda'

11-23-2014, 05:55 AM	#135
Thibaud New Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7	Originally posted by goubejp Well I proposed myself to make such images forPentax France - I'm using a FA600f4 usually. Guess what ? They didn't answer me. The most fun : for the Pentax lens brochure, to illustrate this 560, they have but an image of an european bee catcher. see http://s2.media.ricoh-imaging.fr/media/1d4e72b257e16baa270f111123baf28b/K_Mount_Lens.pdf See p 24 image fram Thibaud Epeche After a sort research, I discovered that this was shot with the DA300. So even in their official brochure they are not capable of finding good images shot with this lens. Poor marketing... Yup, that's me. The 560 wasn't ready at the time they did the brochure.