So what happened to the K-3 ?

DaveBlack · 09-11-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Class A

All due respect but this nonsense. The DxOMark results for the NEX-7 show that the Sony 24MP sensor is as least as good as the 16MP version in the K-5 (one minute difference being that Pentax implemented ISO 80 and hence gained an DR advantage).

The K-3 will come soon (as an APS-C camera with more than 11 AF points and an articulated screen) and hopefully will be announced at Photokina 2012 already.

This will be great news. I really don't think it wii be announced until CP+. Might even get the new DA*16-85 or whatever it ends uo being got the kit lens. Pentax usually announce the big exciting stuff at CP+

Dave

philbaum · 09-11-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by L33tGreg

I agree with the spirit of your post. I wonder if Prime M only has a 12bit/channel pipeline, and since the K-5 has been 14 bit/channel, they couldn't use it? I personally would be forced to pick the K-30 over the K-5ii for lack of focus peaking and h.264.

its not a clear cut choice since the K5 II has -3ev sensitivity, f2.8 capability, which exceeds the K30. I would have preferred that the k5 ii have both the new low light capability AND focus peaking.

Originally posted by Raffwal

... But I have a feeling we haven't seen everything yet. A certain poster on a certain forum (not RH or ogl) AFAIK works for a major camera retailer and he usually knows what's coming. And from his hints and posts I have gathered that there will be another DSLR announced, the rumored 24 mpix APS-C model. Not my cup of tea either, but some might see it differently.

I get the same feeling - i think they skimped a bit on the k5 II to keep the price low, but drilled in new AF as an enticement. Then they spent the saved engineering hours on the new K3, 24mp model. Either that or they will announce a full frame at Photokina.

I think keeping the price low on the K5 II was brilliant - its top of the aps class, why not keep it going. I was always worried that if my k5 met some catastrophic end, i wouldn't be able to get something as good - now i have that backup option.

DaveBlack · 09-11-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

its not a clear cut choice since the K5 II has -3ev sensitivity, f2.8 capability, which exceeds the K30. I would have preferred that the k5 ii have both the new low light capability AND focus peaking.

I get the same feeling - i think they skimped a bit on the k5 II to keep the price low, but drilled in new AF as an enticement. Then they spent the saved engineering hours on the new K3, 24mp model. Either that or they will announce a full frame at Photokina.

I think keeping the price low on the K5 II was brilliant - its top of the aps class, why not keep it going. I was always worried that if my k5 met some catastrophic end, i wouldn't be able to get something as good - now i have that backup option.

Yes, it is really nice to know thqat if your K5 met a catastrophic end that you can buy the K5II. The K5II sounds like a really good camera. The introductory price seems to be really good. Yes, I wish there was a little bit more updating to it but if it kept the cost lower and give more R&D resources to the upcoming K3 then all good. I have two K5 cameras so I really don't think I will upgrade. Still nice to know that I could if I want.

Dave

NickLarsson · 09-11-2012, 03:05 PM

The K-3 is still listed on this chinese website as 24Mp APSC :
http://product.pchome.net/digital_dc/list_1_103_265_pr_pm_o3_m1_p1.html

So, maybe...

snofox · 09-11-2012, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Class A

The K-3 will come soon (as an APS-C camera with more than 11 AF points and an articulated screen) and hopefully will be announced at Photokina 2012 already.

I sure hope you are right. I must have an articulated screen on my next dSLR for several reasons, and if Pentax doesn't offer one this year, I have no choice but to emigrate to a camera maker that makes one. This spring I bought a Canon G1X because of its articulated screen and sensor, and I can't begin to tell you how useful that screen is, even if all you shoot is stills.

ogl · 09-11-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by NickLarsson

The K-3 is still listed on this chinese website as 24Mp APSC :
http://product.pchome.net/digital_dc/list_1_103_265_pr_pm_o3_m1_p1.html

So, maybe...

It's listed at several Chinese sites

JohnBee · 09-11-2012, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by ogl

It's listed at several Chinese sites

Oh boy...

**Ash** · 09-11-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by snofox

I must have an articulated screen on my next dSLR for several reasons, and if Pentax doesn't offer one this year, I have no choice but to emigrate to a camera maker that makes one

Looks like you'll have to do so. Doesn't look promising, thankfully.

dankoBanana · 09-11-2012, 10:59 PM - **1 Like**

this topic should be moved to the " Political and Religious Discussion" subforum

garyk · 09-11-2012, 11:50 PM

Personally I think an announcement will come in a few days.
When Ricoh took over I read there share holder reports. They cannot afford to fail. If they announce on the 18th. It will shock everyone and pull the rabbit out of the hat. If not? I'm not sure what will happen. But the way I read it, it ain't going to be pretty.
Time will tell. But since I have a bundle tied up in glass. I think a candle light prayer is in order... LOL

richard balonglong · 09-12-2012, 12:15 AM

Pentax K-3 maybe a full frame compact dslr, just waiting for its time to shine. The rumour months ago that it will be using a ff sensor from Sony might be true, revealing a full frame pentax after the anouncement of the Sony full frame compact which it's now officially announced.
Here's a preview of the Sony RX1 compact full frame camera, and that really is a very compact one for a full frame!
Sony RX1 Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review

zapp · 09-12-2012, 12:18 AM

The new Sony fullframe was just announced. If it really has the same sensors as the Pentax, it makes sense that Pentax announces AFTER Sony. This could take a couple more months though.

Caat · 09-12-2012, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by zapp

The new Sony fullframe was just announced. If it really has the same sensors as the Pentax, it makes sense that Pentax announces AFTER Sony. This could take a couple more months though.

I wouldn't expect anything from Pentax about a FF camera officially / overtly until the spring. I think an optimistic scenario might be:

1). Unlabelled prototype body under glass at Photokina. Maybe alongside the MZ-D prototype for an unsubtle indication it's FF
2). Official announcement of the development of a FF camera at CP+ or maybe even a stand alone announcement sometime afterwards
3). Availability towards spring/summer 2013.

In the meantime I do expect a higher than K-5II APS-C camera.

calsan · 09-12-2012, 01:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mace

If the K-3 (or what ever successor) would have been ready for the market, they wouldn't had to pull out a K5II.
I can well imaging a meeting at Pentax HQ in July:

Boss: MITUMI, will that f***ing K-3 be weady for photokina?
Engineer Mitumi: Sowy Boss, K-3 no weady....
Boss: Okay, than lets put some minor upgwades into the K-5 and welabel it!
Enegeneer Mitumi: Ok Boss.

Or they just decided to keep the K-5 anyway in their line-up, even if there will be a new flagship coming soon.

Japanese speak with funny lisping, do they? Really?

Franky2step · 09-12-2012, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Raffwal

I don't find any of this year's Photokina Pentax announcements so far very interesting. But that is just my personal opinion. But I have a feeling we haven't seen everything yet. A certain poster on a certain forum (not RH or ogl) AFAIK works for a major camera retailer and he usually knows what's coming. And from his hints and posts I have gathered that there will be another DSLR announced, the rumored 24 mpix APS-C model. Not my cup of tea either, but some might see it differently.

EDIT: Read some more recent posts. Don't know, perhaps this was it after all.

Sony just announced a full frame 24 mp point and shoot plus the a99 full frame

09-11-2012, 11:50 PM	#70
garyk Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 488	Personally I think an announcement will come in a few days. When Ricoh took over I read there share holder reports. They cannot afford to fail. If they announce on the 18th. It will shock everyone and pull the rabbit out of the hat. If not? I'm not sure what will happen. But the way I read it, it ain't going to be pretty. Time will tell. But since I have a bundle tied up in glass. I think a candle light prayer is in order... LOL Last edited by garyk; 09-11-2012 at 11:55 PM.

09-12-2012, 12:15 AM	#71
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	Pentax K-3 maybe a full frame compact dslr, just waiting for its time to shine. The rumour months ago that it will be using a ff sensor from Sony might be true, revealing a full frame pentax after the anouncement of the Sony full frame compact which it's now officially announced. Here's a preview of the Sony RX1 compact full frame camera, and that really is a very compact one for a full frame! Sony RX1 Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review Last edited by richard balonglong; 09-12-2012 at 12:21 AM.

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09-11-2012, 10:06 AM	#61
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by Class A All due respect but this nonsense. The DxOMark results for the NEX-7 show that the Sony 24MP sensor is as least as good as the 16MP version in the K-5 (one minute difference being that Pentax implemented ISO 80 and hence gained an DR advantage). The K-3 will come soon (as an APS-C camera with more than 11 AF points and an articulated screen) and hopefully will be announced at Photokina 2012 already. This will be great news. I really don't think it wii be announced until CP+. Might even get the new DA*16-85 or whatever it ends uo being got the kit lens. Pentax usually announce the big exciting stuff at CP+ Dave

09-11-2012, 10:15 AM	#62
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by L33tGreg I agree with the spirit of your post. I wonder if Prime M only has a 12bit/channel pipeline, and since the K-5 has been 14 bit/channel, they couldn't use it? I personally would be forced to pick the K-30 over the K-5ii for lack of focus peaking and h.264. its not a clear cut choice since the K5 II has -3ev sensitivity, f2.8 capability, which exceeds the K30. I would have preferred that the k5 ii have both the new low light capability AND focus peaking. Originally posted by Raffwal ... But I have a feeling we haven't seen everything yet. A certain poster on a certain forum (not RH or ogl) AFAIK works for a major camera retailer and he usually knows what's coming. And from his hints and posts I have gathered that there will be another DSLR announced, the rumored 24 mpix APS-C model. Not my cup of tea either, but some might see it differently. I get the same feeling - i think they skimped a bit on the k5 II to keep the price low, but drilled in new AF as an enticement. Then they spent the saved engineering hours on the new K3, 24mp model. Either that or they will announce a full frame at Photokina. I think keeping the price low on the K5 II was brilliant - its top of the aps class, why not keep it going. I was always worried that if my k5 met some catastrophic end, i wouldn't be able to get something as good - now i have that backup option.

09-11-2012, 12:28 PM	#63
DaveBlack Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 441	Originally posted by philbaum its not a clear cut choice since the K5 II has -3ev sensitivity, f2.8 capability, which exceeds the K30. I would have preferred that the k5 ii have both the new low light capability AND focus peaking. I get the same feeling - i think they skimped a bit on the k5 II to keep the price low, but drilled in new AF as an enticement. Then they spent the saved engineering hours on the new K3, 24mp model. Either that or they will announce a full frame at Photokina. I think keeping the price low on the K5 II was brilliant - its top of the aps class, why not keep it going. I was always worried that if my k5 met some catastrophic end, i wouldn't be able to get something as good - now i have that backup option. Yes, it is really nice to know thqat if your K5 met a catastrophic end that you can buy the K5II. The K5II sounds like a really good camera. The introductory price seems to be really good. Yes, I wish there was a little bit more updating to it but if it kept the cost lower and give more R&D resources to the upcoming K3 then all good. I have two K5 cameras so I really don't think I will upgrade. Still nice to know that I could if I want. Dave

09-11-2012, 03:05 PM	#64
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	The K-3 is still listed on this chinese website as 24Mp APSC : http://product.pchome.net/digital_dc/list_1_103_265_pr_pm_o3_m1_p1.html So, maybe...

09-11-2012, 08:00 PM	#65
snofox Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fredericton New Brunswick Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 334	Originally posted by Class A The K-3 will come soon (as an APS-C camera with more than 11 AF points and an articulated screen) and hopefully will be announced at Photokina 2012 already. I sure hope you are right. I must have an articulated screen on my next dSLR for several reasons, and if Pentax doesn't offer one this year, I have no choice but to emigrate to a camera maker that makes one. This spring I bought a Canon G1X because of its articulated screen and sensor, and I can't begin to tell you how useful that screen is, even if all you shoot is stills.

09-11-2012, 09:42 PM	#66
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by NickLarsson The K-3 is still listed on this chinese website as 24Mp APSC : http://product.pchome.net/digital_dc/list_1_103_265_pr_pm_o3_m1_p1.html So, maybe... It's listed at several Chinese sites

09-11-2012, 09:47 PM	#67
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by ogl It's listed at several Chinese sites Oh boy...

09-11-2012, 10:53 PM	#68
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by snofox I must have an articulated screen on my next dSLR for several reasons, and if Pentax doesn't offer one this year, I have no choice but to emigrate to a camera maker that makes one Looks like you'll have to do so. Doesn't look promising, thankfully.

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09-12-2012, 12:43 AM	#73
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by zapp The new Sony fullframe was just announced. If it really has the same sensors as the Pentax, it makes sense that Pentax announces AFTER Sony. This could take a couple more months though. I wouldn't expect anything from Pentax about a FF camera officially / overtly until the spring. I think an optimistic scenario might be: 1). Unlabelled prototype body under glass at Photokina. Maybe alongside the MZ-D prototype for an unsubtle indication it's FF 2). Official announcement of the development of a FF camera at CP+ or maybe even a stand alone announcement sometime afterwards 3). Availability towards spring/summer 2013. In the meantime I do expect a higher than K-5II APS-C camera.

09-12-2012, 01:22 AM - 1 Like	#74
calsan Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,548	Originally posted by Mace If the K-3 (or what ever successor) would have been ready for the market, they wouldn't had to pull out a K5II. I can well imaging a meeting at Pentax HQ in July: Boss: MITUMI, will that f***ing K-3 be weady for photokina? Engineer Mitumi: Sowy Boss, K-3 no weady.... Boss: Okay, than lets put some minor upgwades into the K-5 and welabel it! Enegeneer Mitumi: Ok Boss. Or they just decided to keep the K-5 anyway in their line-up, even if there will be a new flagship coming soon. Japanese speak with funny lisping, do they? Really?

09-12-2012, 01:53 AM	#75
Franky2step Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Niagara Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 793	Originally posted by Raffwal I don't find any of this year's Photokina Pentax announcements so far very interesting. But that is just my personal opinion. But I have a feeling we haven't seen everything yet. A certain poster on a certain forum (not RH or ogl) AFAIK works for a major camera retailer and he usually knows what's coming. And from his hints and posts I have gathered that there will be another DSLR announced, the rumored 24 mpix APS-C model. Not my cup of tea either, but some might see it differently. EDIT: Read some more recent posts. Don't know, perhaps this was it after all. Sony just announced a full frame 24 mp point and shoot plus the a99 full frame