What happened to adam's FF is coming thread? Why was it pulled down?

DeadJohn · 09-13-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by bmonki

HAHA... drama, socialization, leaving a person on edge, best marketing ploy ever, especially when you dont have anything to offer and you need to whip it up... Some thing tells me you were hired by pentax to keep everyone hanging till they can get a decent model out there, they may have plans, but probably want to show a working model instead of just plans... I dont blame em, wait to see what people come to the table with and tweak your product from there after seeing whats out there... No wonder they rehashed both cameras, saving time and money for the good stuff. I just hope this "finishing off hoyas road map" does not mean the end of the Q, as it a Hoya or Ricoh product? just looked at the bottom of my Q and def say hoya, hopefully they dont cut it off...

If Adam was hired by Pentax then he's disloyal, publicly criticizing his employer in many posts. This forum has a mix of "Pentax is great" and "Pentax screwed up" posts by a variety of members. It's hardly a Pentax PR outlet. It wouldn't surprise me if Pentax pays for some advertising but there's not a wholesale cleansing of negative comments.

(The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.)

v5planet · 09-13-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

If Adam was hired by Pentax then he's disloyal, publicly criticizing his employer in many posts. This forum has a mix of "Pentax is great" and "Pentax screwed up" posts by a variety of members. It's hardly a Pentax PR outlet. It wouldn't surprise me if Pentax pays for some advertising but there's not a wholesale cleansing of negative comments.

(The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.)

+1 to both points. There's no way Adam is in Pentax's pocket; he's way too openly critical of what Pentax does for that to fly.

Wired · 09-13-2012, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Canon has ergonomics?

I mean, I sure agree with you there!

oh man, I don't know how anyone uses any Canon's. whenever I'm handed one it feels like I need to practice in controsionist methods just to change apreture.

Mistral75 · 09-13-2012, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

(...)

(The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.)

Indeed...

JinDesu · 09-13-2012, 11:44 AM

*cough*

Well, it's a good thing I'm a first post in that thread...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentaxian-lounge/198732-dont-lose-hope-pe...awaits-us.html

But at least the thread is open again - just missing Adam's special words

jackseh · 09-13-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by JinDesu

*cough*

Well, it's a good thing I'm a first post in that thread...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentaxian-lounge/198732-dont-lose-hope-pe...awaits-us.html

But at least the thread is open again - just missing Adam's special words

still can't see that thread, but I'll take your word for it (-:

Na Horuk · 09-13-2012, 04:05 PM

lol come on people, have some discretion! The thread was removed for a reason, we all know it existed, now shut up about it

Montoya · 09-13-2012, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

lol come on people, have some discretion! The thread was removed for a reason, we all know it existed, now shut up about it

So the first rule of FF thread club is...

Vylen · 09-13-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by jackseh

still can't see that thread, but I'll take your word for it (-:

It's for Pentaxians only

:P

Quicksand · 09-13-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Montoya

So the first rule of FF thread club is...

No, pretty much the opposite of that.

The first rule of PF FF thread club is to talk about FF in every single thread, all the time, whether or not it's on topic.

navcom · 09-13-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

To put it in another perspective; if and when the FF Pentax camera comes out, every single manufacturer on Earth will have one FF body already. Even Casio will have one. And even the iPhone 5ff. Thus, to clearly differentiate itself from the rest of the crowd, and to be really interesting (that's their motto, right?), Pentax will show they have made one, but then scrap it in front of our eyes because they really don't want to be like everyone else ..

And from his back pocket, Noboru Akabane will pull out a .. Q-nano!, which utilises specially designed 1mm diagonal CMOS sensor and a whole lineup of 32 lenses, each of a size of a green pea, and all weighting together a mere 56 grams!

I've been off the forum for some time but had to jump in. I'm on the bandwagon for FF and am also really frustrated with this exact thing....the almost fanatical way some companies, including Pentax, keep marketing smaller and smaller cameras! Geez guys! Some of us have bigger hands! For crying out loud, the ergo on a Q is horrible! I have to have a battery grip for my K-5 or I can't hold the thing comfortably...or more importantly, reliably!!

The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks....something with substance...something that could take a beating. And I'm a landscape shooter that doesn't mind hauling a tank into the field. It's saved my a*s many times. My K1000 took many a tumble without issue.

And now many of the folks I write articles for are recommending I get a FF camera because it's a "professional big boys" camera. Doesn't matter that my image quality is no different, maybe even better, than some of those FF guys. You can't argue with bias. And bias pays the bills.

Size matters folks! It goes for bodies and for sensors!

....end rant.

**boriscleto** · 09-13-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Quicksand

No, pretty much the opposite of that.

The first rule of PF FF thread club is to talk about FF in every single thread, all the time, whether or not it's on topic.

It's Godwin's Law of PentaxForums.

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability someone threatening to switch to Canikon if Pentax doesn't release a full frame approaches 1.

cfraz · 09-13-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by navcom

I have to have a battery grip for my K-5 or I can't hold the thing comfortably...or more importantly, reliably!!

The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks....something with substance...something that could take a beating. And I'm a landscape shooter that doesn't mind hauling a tank into the field. It's saved my a*s many times. My K1000 took many a tumble without issue.

Your K1000 was 5 mm shorter, 23.5 mm thinner and 120 g lighter than your K5 (without grip).

bxf · 09-13-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by navcom

...

The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks....

Yeah, like the ME, MX

navcom · 09-13-2012, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Your K1000 was 5 mm shorter, 23.5 mm thinner and 120 g lighter than your K5 (without grip).

I was much younger then with a better memory!

Yeah, you're probably right...don't have it any more to compare to. But no denying it could take a beating.

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely LOVE my K-5. Even if I go FF outside Pentax I will not sell it. I also have my K10 and 20 yet and use them as well. They are a slight bit bigger and heavier. I was one of those who wished the K-5 had the same body as the K20d. But that was another day.

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09-13-2012, 10:19 AM	#76
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Originally posted by bmonki HAHA... drama, socialization, leaving a person on edge, best marketing ploy ever, especially when you dont have anything to offer and you need to whip it up... Some thing tells me you were hired by pentax to keep everyone hanging till they can get a decent model out there, they may have plans, but probably want to show a working model instead of just plans... I dont blame em, wait to see what people come to the table with and tweak your product from there after seeing whats out there... No wonder they rehashed both cameras, saving time and money for the good stuff. I just hope this "finishing off hoyas road map" does not mean the end of the Q, as it a Hoya or Ricoh product? just looked at the bottom of my Q and def say hoya, hopefully they dont cut it off... If Adam was hired by Pentax then he's disloyal, publicly criticizing his employer in many posts. This forum has a mix of "Pentax is great" and "Pentax screwed up" posts by a variety of members. It's hardly a Pentax PR outlet. It wouldn't surprise me if Pentax pays for some advertising but there's not a wholesale cleansing of negative comments. (The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.)

09-13-2012, 10:27 AM	#77
v5planet Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Photos: Albums Posts: 1,915	Originally posted by DeadJohn If Adam was hired by Pentax then he's disloyal, publicly criticizing his employer in many posts. This forum has a mix of "Pentax is great" and "Pentax screwed up" posts by a variety of members. It's hardly a Pentax PR outlet. It wouldn't surprise me if Pentax pays for some advertising but there's not a wholesale cleansing of negative comments. (The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.) +1 to both points. There's no way Adam is in Pentax's pocket; he's way too openly critical of what Pentax does for that to fly.

09-13-2012, 10:33 AM	#78
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Clavius Canon has ergonomics? I mean, I sure agree with you there! oh man, I don't know how anyone uses any Canon's. whenever I'm handed one it feels like I need to practice in controsionist methods just to change apreture.

09-13-2012, 11:43 AM	#79
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by DeadJohn (...) (The original deleted thread is a good reminder that things can't be undone after posted online. Someone's going to have the page saved or cached locally and can recover it, or Google or the Wayback Machine will have a snapshot.) Indeed...

09-13-2012, 11:44 AM	#80
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	cough Well, it's a good thing I'm a first post in that thread... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentaxian-lounge/198732-dont-lose-hope-pe...awaits-us.html But at least the thread is open again - just missing Adam's special words

09-13-2012, 03:17 PM	#81
jackseh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 118	Originally posted by JinDesu cough Well, it's a good thing I'm a first post in that thread... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentaxian-lounge/198732-dont-lose-hope-pe...awaits-us.html But at least the thread is open again - just missing Adam's special words still can't see that thread, but I'll take your word for it (-:

09-13-2012, 04:05 PM	#82
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	lol come on people, have some discretion! The thread was removed for a reason, we all know it existed, now shut up about it

09-13-2012, 04:33 PM	#83
Montoya Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 103	Originally posted by Na Horuk lol come on people, have some discretion! The thread was removed for a reason, we all know it existed, now shut up about it So the first rule of FF thread club is...

09-13-2012, 05:23 PM	#84
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by jackseh still can't see that thread, but I'll take your word for it (-: It's for Pentaxians only :P

09-13-2012, 05:38 PM	#85
Quicksand Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area) Posts: 1,519	Originally posted by Montoya So the first rule of FF thread club is... No, pretty much the opposite of that. The first rule of PF FF thread club is to talk about FF in every single thread, all the time, whether or not it's on topic.

09-13-2012, 05:50 PM	#86
navcom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Minnesota USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 807	Originally posted by Uluru To put it in another perspective; if and when the FF Pentax camera comes out, every single manufacturer on Earth will have one FF body already. Even Casio will have one. And even the iPhone 5ff. Thus, to clearly differentiate itself from the rest of the crowd, and to be really interesting (that's their motto, right?), Pentax will show they have made one, but then scrap it in front of our eyes because they really don't want to be like everyone else .. And from his back pocket, Noboru Akabane will pull out a .. Q-nano!, which utilises specially designed 1mm diagonal CMOS sensor and a whole lineup of 32 lenses, each of a size of a green pea, and all weighting together a mere 56 grams! I've been off the forum for some time but had to jump in. I'm on the bandwagon for FF and am also really frustrated with this exact thing....the almost fanatical way some companies, including Pentax, keep marketing smaller and smaller cameras! Geez guys! Some of us have bigger hands! For crying out loud, the ergo on a Q is horrible! I have to have a battery grip for my K-5 or I can't hold the thing comfortably...or more importantly, reliably!! The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks....something with substance...something that could take a beating. And I'm a landscape shooter that doesn't mind hauling a tank into the field. It's saved my a*s many times. My K1000 took many a tumble without issue. And now many of the folks I write articles for are recommending I get a FF camera because it's a "professional big boys" camera. Doesn't matter that my image quality is no different, maybe even better, than some of those FF guys. You can't argue with bias. And bias pays the bills. Size matters folks! It goes for bodies and for sensors! ....end rant.

09-13-2012, 06:08 PM	#87
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Quicksand No, pretty much the opposite of that. The first rule of PF FF thread club is to talk about FF in every single thread, all the time, whether or not it's on topic. It's Godwin's Law of PentaxForums. As an online discussion grows longer, the probability someone threatening to switch to Canikon if Pentax doesn't release a full frame approaches 1.

09-13-2012, 06:28 PM	#88
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by navcom I have to have a battery grip for my K-5 or I can't hold the thing comfortably...or more importantly, reliably!! The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks....something with substance...something that could take a beating. And I'm a landscape shooter that doesn't mind hauling a tank into the field. It's saved my a*s many times. My K1000 took many a tumble without issue. Your K1000 was 5 mm shorter, 23.5 mm thinner and 120 g lighter than your K5 (without grip).

09-13-2012, 06:32 PM	#89
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by navcom ... The reason I have been a loyal Pentax shooter for so many years was because they made tanks.... Yeah, like the ME, MX

09-13-2012, 06:37 PM	#90
navcom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Minnesota USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 807	Originally posted by cfraz Your K1000 was 5 mm shorter, 23.5 mm thinner and 120 g lighter than your K5 (without grip). I was much younger then with a better memory! Yeah, you're probably right...don't have it any more to compare to. But no denying it could take a beating. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely LOVE my K-5. Even if I go FF outside Pentax I will not sell it. I also have my K10 and 20 yet and use them as well. They are a slight bit bigger and heavier. I was one of those who wished the K-5 had the same body as the K20d. But that was another day.