Pentax Ricoh's reply to your comments at our interview

audiobomber · 09-19-2012, 12:55 PM

Good post junyo. If Pentax could expand their sales coverage in the many markets where they are poorly represented or not competing at all (from this thread that would be at least the US, South America, India, Russia, China, and New Zealand), they would probably sell a lot more gear than they would by releasing new cameras in existing markets. They are a business, they have to do the things that will maximize short and long term profits. Just because some vocal people want FF right now does not mean that it is a good business move. Their marketing dept knows a lot more about the potential of various strategies than anyone here.

alamo5000 · 09-19-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by ogl

NO FF till the spring of 2013 - no any serious future for Pentax Ricoh...IMO
They will miss the train of modern photo market forever.

Are you part Mayan?

Class A · 09-19-2012, 01:03 PM

Thanks, Adam!!!

zmohie · 09-19-2012, 01:04 PM

Thanks Adam a very good job.
but I smell that you know some thing about the full frame and you cant catch the moment to speak about.
as a journalist some times one can feel what the gusest may hide.I can read between the words/there will be a full frame next year.I wish!!

gazonk · 09-19-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by ogl

NO FF till the spring of 2013 - no any serious future for Pentax Ricoh...IMO
They will miss the train of modern photo market forever.

no HIGH-END APS-C camera till January, 2013 - really bad...
if they will announce it at CP+, it means that the cameras will be on sale from March, 2013....
K-5 will be almost 2.5 year old!!!!

Amen

Did winter already arrive in Russia?

Raffwal · 09-19-2012, 01:05 PM - **1 Like**

Woo-hoo, I'm so excited! Finally we have a proper FF rumor release!

Let me think about this for a while. Nikon D600 with a close to class-leading FF sensor and excellent AF, available THIS week. Then on the other hand, we have yet another Pentax rumor that something might get released some year. Something which by previous experience will quite possibly have a f***ed-up 11 point AF and some severe QC issues.

A tough choice.

froeschle · 09-19-2012, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Yes, it was said flat out like that.

Could you also verify this

:

Quote:

but chances were high that we'll see one in 2013

And why did you use "were"? Back to the Future?

mee · 09-19-2012, 01:19 PM

So are they going to reply to the questions received in the hard copy or are the 4 questions they answered all?

Laurentiu Cristofor · 09-19-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by froeschle

And why did you use "were"?

Perhaps because the situation is rapidly deteriorating

solar1 · 09-19-2012, 02:05 PM - **1 Like**

Pentax could be smiling because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings about a super-out-of-touch-with-reality FF mirage.

there, I said it, I feel better now

lammie200 · 09-19-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

Pentax and Ricoh historically buy Sony sensors, the same ones used in Nikon and Sony cameras. Sony clearly likes to sell sensors, because they supply other makers too, ergo they would be eager to supply Ricoh Pentax with sensors for R&D and later for production. I wouldn't be surprised if the sales force selling to Pentax and Nikon are operating as a profit center and selling to Sony too, at a discounted price of course.

Sony has the sensors - I get that. What about the notion that Sony will not release the sensor to PRICL until 6 months (or somesuch time) after Sony releases its own body that uses them? Maybe Sony has already supplied PRICL with sensors for PRICL's R & D? Maybe the parties have not agreed on anything? No one knows the answers to any of this. My guess is that PRICL doesn't even have what it needs to come up with a feasible prototype - either from an engineering or production projection standpoint or both. Not sure how hard they have been trying though.

Kunzite · 09-19-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Yes, it was said flat out like that. It's clear that Pentax's former management (Hoya's) wasn't stellar, and IMO there's no harm in saying that Ricoh's policy thus far has been to focus more on the customer than Pentax did in the past.

What's funny - Hoya's management accused the old Pentax of "lacking vision". What was theirs?

RonHendriks1966 · 09-19-2012, 02:24 PM

I'm not yet home, but had a good day in Cologne. Met Adam and Ole. Had a chance to present the report to Pentax for wich I'm mmuch thankfull to Adam for giving this oppertunity.

I had one other nice meeting. I had a talk with the CEO of Ricoh! He was drawn to me with my yellow K-01, a rare item on the floor.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151187876558970&set=a.101504630...type=1&theater

A very nice day

Docrwm · 09-19-2012, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I'm not yet home, but had a good day in Cologne. Met Adam and Ole. Had a chance to present the report to Pentax for wich I'm mmuch thankfull to Adam for giving this oppertunity.

I had one other nice meeting. I had a talk with the CEO of Ricoh! He was drawn to me with my yellow K-01, a rare item on the floor.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151187876558970&set=a.101504630...type=1&theater

A very nice day

Ron, Thanks for all you have done to get them to understand our needs and desires on the lens front. Glad you had your yellow K-01 with you!

cali92rs · 09-19-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

Woo-hoo, I'm so excited! Finally we have a proper FF rumor release!

Let me think about this for a while. Nikon D600 with a close to class-leading FF sensor and excellent AF, available THIS week. Then on the other hand, we have yet another Pentax rumor that something might get released some year. Something which by previous experience will quite possibly have a f***ed-up 11 point AF and some severe QC issues.

A tough choice.

+1...
Don't forget other things that are available RIGHT NOW to support the D600: full frame lenses, that range from bargain to Pro-grade, industry leading flash system and a 5 year warranty.

09-19-2012, 02:24 PM	#88
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	CEO of Ricoh I'm not yet home, but had a good day in Cologne. Met Adam and Ole. Had a chance to present the report to Pentax for wich I'm mmuch thankfull to Adam for giving this oppertunity. I had one other nice meeting. I had a talk with the CEO of Ricoh! He was drawn to me with my yellow K-01, a rare item on the floor. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151187876558970&set=a.101504630...type=1&theater A very nice day

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09-19-2012, 12:55 PM	#76
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Good post junyo. If Pentax could expand their sales coverage in the many markets where they are poorly represented or not competing at all (from this thread that would be at least the US, South America, India, Russia, China, and New Zealand), they would probably sell a lot more gear than they would by releasing new cameras in existing markets. They are a business, they have to do the things that will maximize short and long term profits. Just because some vocal people want FF right now does not mean that it is a good business move. Their marketing dept knows a lot more about the potential of various strategies than anyone here.

09-19-2012, 01:02 PM	#77
alamo5000 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2,962	Originally posted by ogl NO FF till the spring of 2013 - no any serious future for Pentax Ricoh...IMO They will miss the train of modern photo market forever. Are you part Mayan?

09-19-2012, 01:03 PM	#78
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Thanks, Adam!!!

09-19-2012, 01:04 PM	#79
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435	Thanks Adam a very good job. but I smell that you know some thing about the full frame and you cant catch the moment to speak about. as a journalist some times one can feel what the gusest may hide.I can read between the words/there will be a full frame next year.I wish!!

09-19-2012, 01:04 PM	#80
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl NO FF till the spring of 2013 - no any serious future for Pentax Ricoh...IMO They will miss the train of modern photo market forever. no HIGH-END APS-C camera till January, 2013 - really bad... if they will announce it at CP+, it means that the cameras will be on sale from March, 2013.... K-5 will be almost 2.5 year old!!!! Amen Did winter already arrive in Russia?

09-19-2012, 01:05 PM - 1 Like	#81
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Woo-hoo, I'm so excited! Finally we have a proper FF rumor release! Let me think about this for a while. Nikon D600 with a close to class-leading FF sensor and excellent AF, available THIS week. Then on the other hand, we have yet another Pentax rumor that something might get released some year. Something which by previous experience will quite possibly have a f***ed-up 11 point AF and some severe QC issues. A tough choice.

09-19-2012, 01:16 PM	#82
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Quote: Yes, it was said flat out like that. Could you also verify this : Quote: but chances were high that we'll see one in 2013 And why did you use "were"? Back to the Future?

09-19-2012, 01:19 PM	#83
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	So are they going to reply to the questions received in the hard copy or are the 4 questions they answered all?

09-19-2012, 01:58 PM	#84
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by froeschle And why did you use "were"? Perhaps because the situation is rapidly deteriorating

09-19-2012, 02:05 PM - 1 Like	#85
solar1 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southern Calif Posts: 565	Pentax could be smiling because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings about a super-out-of-touch-with-reality FF mirage. there, I said it, I feel better now

09-19-2012, 02:19 PM	#86
lammie200 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Photos: Albums Posts: 1,033	Originally posted by audiobomber Pentax and Ricoh historically buy Sony sensors, the same ones used in Nikon and Sony cameras. Sony clearly likes to sell sensors, because they supply other makers too, ergo they would be eager to supply Ricoh Pentax with sensors for R&D and later for production. I wouldn't be surprised if the sales force selling to Pentax and Nikon are operating as a profit center and selling to Sony too, at a discounted price of course. Sony has the sensors - I get that. What about the notion that Sony will not release the sensor to PRICL until 6 months (or somesuch time) after Sony releases its own body that uses them? Maybe Sony has already supplied PRICL with sensors for PRICL's R & D? Maybe the parties have not agreed on anything? No one knows the answers to any of this. My guess is that PRICL doesn't even have what it needs to come up with a feasible prototype - either from an engineering or production projection standpoint or both. Not sure how hard they have been trying though.

09-19-2012, 02:19 PM	#87
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Adam Yes, it was said flat out like that. It's clear that Pentax's former management (Hoya's) wasn't stellar, and IMO there's no harm in saying that Ricoh's policy thus far has been to focus more on the customer than Pentax did in the past. What's funny - Hoya's management accused the old Pentax of "lacking vision". What was theirs?

09-19-2012, 02:47 PM	#89
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I'm not yet home, but had a good day in Cologne. Met Adam and Ole. Had a chance to present the report to Pentax for wich I'm mmuch thankfull to Adam for giving this oppertunity. I had one other nice meeting. I had a talk with the CEO of Ricoh! He was drawn to me with my yellow K-01, a rare item on the floor. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151187876558970&set=a.101504630...type=1&theater A very nice day Ron, Thanks for all you have done to get them to understand our needs and desires on the lens front. Glad you had your yellow K-01 with you!

09-19-2012, 02:50 PM	#90
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Raffwal Woo-hoo, I'm so excited! Finally we have a proper FF rumor release! Let me think about this for a while. Nikon D600 with a close to class-leading FF sensor and excellent AF, available THIS week. Then on the other hand, we have yet another Pentax rumor that something might get released some year. Something which by previous experience will quite possibly have a f***ed-up 11 point AF and some severe QC issues. A tough choice. +1... Don't forget other things that are available RIGHT NOW to support the D600: full frame lenses, that range from bargain to Pro-grade, industry leading flash system and a 5 year warranty.