Pentax Ricoh's reply to your comments at our interview

ENicolas · 09-19-2012, 06:19 PM

When he said "looking at" a FF product, he meant a Nikon D600 - they just bought one trying to understand what it is people see in these things.....

Allison · 09-19-2012, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

Because Pentax Canada is a successful organization unlike the now defunct Pentax US? There's product in stores in every major city and most minor cities in Canada. I was in Huntsville, Ontario, population 30,000 and the local specialty store had bodies and lenses on display. I live in Sudbury, in Northern Ontario, population 160,000.

Here's most of the Pentax shelf at the local Henry's, taken while I was testing the Q (ugly barrel distortion, eh?):

I was at a local outdoor concert recently and saw shooters using a K20D, K-5 and K-r.

Well, apparently I need to go visit my husband's grandparents! They live in Huntsville and I would love to go play/shop in a store. It is really sad to me that I could find gear in Huntsville, Ontario, but not in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

gtl · 09-19-2012, 06:24 PM

Woo hoo. FA limiteds on FF soon. Meanwhile, back to using my K5 and waiting patiently.

junyo · 09-19-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I have wondered that myself. However, NY and NYC would cream them on taxes.

Which is why Olympus moved to nearby PA a few years back. OTOH, Canon, Nikon, Sigma, and Tamron are clustered out on Long Island, and Samsung's the other side of the GWB in Jersey.

Docrwm · 09-19-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I have wondered that myself. However, NY and NYC would cream them on taxes.

Chicago? LA? Houston? Even poor old Atlanta.

Uluru · 09-19-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Cross-posted:
[/B][/INDENT]You can't double market share (5% to 10%) without significant USA sales.

You only need to open a few shops in Bangalore and in Kolkata, India.
That will suffice to reap more benefits and sales than spending 100x more energy and money to equally please and benefit from the US market.
People in India will buy tons of weatherproof cameras without typical western bitchin' and moaning.

frank · 09-19-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by gtl

Woo hoo. FA limiteds on FF soon. Meanwhile, back to using my K5 and waiting patiently.

You mean you are getting a FF film camera soon?

Confused · 09-19-2012, 07:29 PM

Hi Adam

As others have mentioned beforehand, what I desperately require in the foreseeable future from Pentax-Ricoh is a decent weatherproof relatively affordable full-frame DSLR body with 5-exposure HDR (Raw & Raw + Jpeg) capabilities, preferably with integral GPS for 'geo-logging' photographic locations. In fact I was genuinely delighted to hear about the recent announcement concerning the availability of Samyang's T-S 24mm 1:3.5 ED AS UMC FF tilt & shift lens with Pentax mount, which would appear to compete favourably on price (supposedly about £1000.00) with both Canon & Nikon's more expensive offerings ? Personally I mainly specialise in architectural and landscape photography, so have no pressing need for either the typical 5-8 FPS capabilities that professional sports or news photographers require, nor for High Definition 1080p video capture, interesting concept that it is.
It's a sobering thought that over the past decade, competitors such as Canon have produced both the full-frame professional EOS-1Ds Mk I & Mk II DSLR bodies as well as the EOS 5D Mk I, II & III FF incarnations, with the relatively 'affordable' EOS 6D arriving soon. Nikon have manufactured the D800, D600 & D4 FF bodies, whilst Sony offer their Alpha 900 FF DSLR body and just announced Single Lens Translucent (SLT) A99 'crossover' pseudo DSLR. I shall conveniently gloss over Hoya's acquisition of Pentax and proceed to the current set-up. So where do Ricoh-Pentax currently stand in the full-frame marketplace ? I don't wish to appear unkind, but the expression "up s**t creek without a paddle" springs to mind ! Pentax DSLR cameras have seemingly offered extraordinary good value over many years and the inbuilt Shake Reduction system is invaluable, but (and it's a Big BUT) I simply don't intend to hang around much longer in the vain hope that Ricoh-Pentax just might possibly consider manufacturing a Full-Frame DSLR body. I need one NOW and not in TEN YEARS TIME !!!! Is that absolutely CLEAR !!!! I sincerely hope that Ricoh-Pentax management 'wake up' soon and 'start to smell the coffee' before it's too late...capiche !....end of rant....LOL !

mee · 09-19-2012, 07:50 PM

ahh.. paragraphs, man!

donghao · 09-19-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by ENicolas

When he said "looking at" a FF product, he meant a Nikon D600 - they just bought one trying to understand what it is people see in these things.....

agreed, and this "Let's just say that we are looking at this particular product type more than ever right now..."
is typical weasel words, which means "we haven't do anything about FF" to me.
That give me relief that we won't see anything FF from pentax in a year or two. (if the pentax company is still there

)
At least I have my good old K200 with me. so who cares...

Blue · 09-19-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Chicago? LA? Houston? Even poor old Atlanta.

The strange part is the lack of Pentax gear available in stores in Colorado in the past.

Alizarine · 09-19-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Adam

A side note: Ricoh, unlike Pentax, finds individual customer feedback to be integral to its product development decisions. We will be listening to your suggestions and they will not go ignored!

If this is true, this is the best part of Adam's post. If Ricoh listens to its customers, so should their boys at Pentax.

Now now what could be those shiny goodies at CP+?

and what on Earth is this, Adam? Have you seen this at Photokina?
ogl posted this on another thread

SyncGuy · 09-19-2012, 08:38 PM

Anyways, I'd say NOT to buy any new lens yet for those who plans to wait for Pentax FF...

Let's wait for the new HD coating to be applied to all new and/or available lenses... Hahaha!

Vylen · 09-19-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Alizarine

If this is true, this is the best part of Adam's post. If Ricoh listens to its customers, so should their boys at Pentax.

Now now what could be those shiny goodies at CP+?

and what on Earth is this, Adam? Have you seen this at Photokina?
ogl posted this on another thread

It's a prototype of Pentax's rumoured 360 degree camera.

Allison · 09-19-2012, 08:46 PM

I have to agree with the others who are questioning the future...they must know they have angered a large user base, but if they had the FF in development they would say "we have one in development, but we are taking out time to do it right and give our customers the best camera". They arent saying that. They are saying that they are now looking at FF...I am just worried that we are 18-24 months from a release. Can I wait that long? I am trying to be reasonable, but throw a dog a bone...a real one.

09-19-2012, 06:32 PM	#111
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by monochrome Cross-posted: [/B][/INDENT]You can't double market share (5% to 10%) without significant USA sales. You only need to open a few shops in Bangalore and in Kolkata, India. That will suffice to reap more benefits and sales than spending 100x more energy and money to equally please and benefit from the US market. People in India will buy tons of weatherproof cameras without typical western bitchin' and moaning. Last edited by Uluru; 09-19-2012 at 06:39 PM.

09-19-2012, 08:04 PM	#115
donghao New Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Beijing Posts: 4	Originally posted by ENicolas When he said "looking at" a FF product, he meant a Nikon D600 - they just bought one trying to understand what it is people see in these things..... agreed, and this "Let's just say that we are looking at this particular product type more than ever right now..." is typical weasel words, which means "we haven't do anything about FF" to me. That give me relief that we won't see anything FF from pentax in a year or two. (if the pentax company is still there) At least I have my good old K200 with me. so who cares...

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09-19-2012, 06:19 PM	#106
ENicolas Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Northern California Posts: 137	When he said "looking at" a FF product, he meant a Nikon D600 - they just bought one trying to understand what it is people see in these things.....

09-19-2012, 06:23 PM	#107
Allison Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 667	Originally posted by audiobomber Because Pentax Canada is a successful organization unlike the now defunct Pentax US? There's product in stores in every major city and most minor cities in Canada. I was in Huntsville, Ontario, population 30,000 and the local specialty store had bodies and lenses on display. I live in Sudbury, in Northern Ontario, population 160,000. Here's most of the Pentax shelf at the local Henry's, taken while I was testing the Q (ugly barrel distortion, eh?): I was at a local outdoor concert recently and saw shooters using a K20D, K-5 and K-r. Well, apparently I need to go visit my husband's grandparents! They live in Huntsville and I would love to go play/shop in a store. It is really sad to me that I could find gear in Huntsville, Ontario, but not in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

09-19-2012, 06:24 PM	#108
gtl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 349	Woo hoo. FA limiteds on FF soon. Meanwhile, back to using my K5 and waiting patiently.

09-19-2012, 06:25 PM	#109
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Originally posted by Blue I have wondered that myself. However, NY and NYC would cream them on taxes. Which is why Olympus moved to nearby PA a few years back. OTOH, Canon, Nikon, Sigma, and Tamron are clustered out on Long Island, and Samsung's the other side of the GWB in Jersey.

09-19-2012, 06:25 PM	#110
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by Blue I have wondered that myself. However, NY and NYC would cream them on taxes. Chicago? LA? Houston? Even poor old Atlanta.

09-19-2012, 06:43 PM	#112
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by gtl Woo hoo. FA limiteds on FF soon. Meanwhile, back to using my K5 and waiting patiently. You mean you are getting a FF film camera soon?

09-19-2012, 07:29 PM	#113
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067	Hi Adam As others have mentioned beforehand, what I desperately require in the foreseeable future from Pentax-Ricoh is a decent weatherproof relatively affordable full-frame DSLR body with 5-exposure HDR (Raw & Raw + Jpeg) capabilities, preferably with integral GPS for 'geo-logging' photographic locations. In fact I was genuinely delighted to hear about the recent announcement concerning the availability of Samyang's T-S 24mm 1:3.5 ED AS UMC FF tilt & shift lens with Pentax mount, which would appear to compete favourably on price (supposedly about £1000.00) with both Canon & Nikon's more expensive offerings ? Personally I mainly specialise in architectural and landscape photography, so have no pressing need for either the typical 5-8 FPS capabilities that professional sports or news photographers require, nor for High Definition 1080p video capture, interesting concept that it is. It's a sobering thought that over the past decade, competitors such as Canon have produced both the full-frame professional EOS-1Ds Mk I & Mk II DSLR bodies as well as the EOS 5D Mk I, II & III FF incarnations, with the relatively 'affordable' EOS 6D arriving soon. Nikon have manufactured the D800, D600 & D4 FF bodies, whilst Sony offer their Alpha 900 FF DSLR body and just announced Single Lens Translucent (SLT) A99 'crossover' pseudo DSLR. I shall conveniently gloss over Hoya's acquisition of Pentax and proceed to the current set-up. So where do Ricoh-Pentax currently stand in the full-frame marketplace ? I don't wish to appear unkind, but the expression "up s**t creek without a paddle" springs to mind ! Pentax DSLR cameras have seemingly offered extraordinary good value over many years and the inbuilt Shake Reduction system is invaluable, but (and it's a Big BUT) I simply don't intend to hang around much longer in the vain hope that Ricoh-Pentax just might possibly consider manufacturing a Full-Frame DSLR body. I need one NOW and not in TEN YEARS TIME !!!! Is that absolutely CLEAR !!!! I sincerely hope that Ricoh-Pentax management 'wake up' soon and 'start to smell the coffee' before it's too late...capiche !....end of rant....LOL !

09-19-2012, 07:50 PM	#114
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	ahh.. paragraphs, man!

09-19-2012, 08:21 PM	#116
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Docrwm Chicago? LA? Houston? Even poor old Atlanta. The strange part is the lack of Pentax gear available in stores in Colorado in the past.

09-19-2012, 08:35 PM	#117
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by Adam A side note: Ricoh, unlike Pentax, finds individual customer feedback to be integral to its product development decisions. We will be listening to your suggestions and they will not go ignored! If this is true, this is the best part of Adam's post. If Ricoh listens to its customers, so should their boys at Pentax. Now now what could be those shiny goodies at CP+? and what on Earth is this, Adam? Have you seen this at Photokina? ogl posted this on another thread

09-19-2012, 08:38 PM	#118
SyncGuy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 821	Anyways, I'd say NOT to buy any new lens yet for those who plans to wait for Pentax FF... Let's wait for the new HD coating to be applied to all new and/or available lenses... Hahaha!

09-19-2012, 08:44 PM	#119
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by Alizarine If this is true, this is the best part of Adam's post. If Ricoh listens to its customers, so should their boys at Pentax. Now now what could be those shiny goodies at CP+? and what on Earth is this, Adam? Have you seen this at Photokina? ogl posted this on another thread It's a prototype of Pentax's rumoured 360 degree camera.

09-19-2012, 08:46 PM	#120
Allison Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 667	I have to agree with the others who are questioning the future...they must know they have angered a large user base, but if they had the FF in development they would say "we have one in development, but we are taking out time to do it right and give our customers the best camera". They arent saying that. They are saying that they are now looking at FF...I am just worried that we are 18-24 months from a release. Can I wait that long? I am trying to be reasonable, but throw a dog a bone...a real one.