K5IIs sample?

photoephemere · 09-25-2012, 09:44 AM

where did you buy your jeans ? it seemed to be same of mine ! ;-)

tuco · 09-25-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

One of the adjustment brushes available in Lightroom is a Moiré removal brush. There's demos online that show D800E pictures showing Moiré being treated and all Moiré being removed using this brush.

Don't count on that moiré brush tool to fix everything. I couldn't get the all the moiré out of one of my shots. It starts to become noticeable too. Almost like a localized blurry spot due to decreased sharpness from the remainder of the scene.

theskonesdad · 09-25-2012, 10:29 AM

If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II?

MMVIII · 09-25-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by theskonesdad

If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II?

That's a good question, but let me phrase it like that: if they have to buy/sell the AA-less sensor for 200$ more, wouldn't be the first complain, why they don't sell the K5II also without this tweak for 200$ less?

normhead · 09-25-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

That's a good question, but let me phrase it like that: if they have to buy/sell the AA-less sensor for 200$ more, wouldn't be the first complain, why they don't sell the K5II also without this tweak for 200$ less?

Smaller production run?

**robbiec** · 09-25-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by PeterBex

I hope that dpreview get an early one to trial. I feel my credit card burning a hole in my jeans.

Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested. Wait till you see what some of the lads & lassies here can do with the K-5 IIs. Better than any review.

repaap · 09-25-2012, 12:39 PM

So, eyes and ears are pointing towards Singapore pentaxians...I guess. Frank have been quite active with these at past, no?

VTerlakyPhoto · 09-25-2012, 01:31 PM

From this small image it looks promising, looking forward to actual tests

civiletti · 09-25-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by theskonesdad

If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II?

It has something to do with the occult.

glanglois · 09-25-2012, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Smaller production run?

Yes, a smaller run. But that effect is compounded, from what I understand, by the need for a slightly different arrangement on the lens side, if you will, of the sensor. Remember that the AA filter is not simply a piece of glass placed before the sensor assembly. "Removing it with tweezers", as someone suggested, is not what happens on the production line.

glanglois · 09-25-2012, 02:55 PM

And in another vein, I found that image difficult to gain much data from.

"This image or video is currently unavailable" in what appears to be eight written languages/alphabets leaves me rather bemused.

Docrwm · 09-25-2012, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by robbiec

Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested. Wait till you see what some of the lads & lassies here can do with the K-5 IIs. Better than any review.

Too true. Adam has already gone on record saying he'll have one of the first ones that comes available and is looking forward to doing the review.

Alizarine · 09-25-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Caat

If the K5IIs is as moire free as the II I might well be very tempted. Combined with the AF improvements it would make the IIs a significant upgrade of the K-5 whereas the II would be a simple tweaked K-5.

Unlikely, because if they're so close then might as well cancel the II and just release the IIs by itself.... but like everyone else I'm looking forward to more tests in the coming weeks, especially when reviewers get their copies for testing. The Pentax community in Manila is planning to have another meetup in the second week of October and we're expecting the II and IIs to be there, though by that time they've probably been released in Japan and the US.

Originally posted by repaap

So, eyes and ears are pointing towards Singapore pentaxians...I guess. Frank have been quite active with these at past, no?

History-wise yes.

So by the last week of September he'll probably have one in his hands for testing.

Originally posted by robbiec

Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested.

Reminds me how the Nikon D3200, which was announced and released later than the K-30, got a complete review before the latter.

) lol.
They're waiting for the Pentax hype to die down before releasing a complete unbiased review. It's like they don't want people talking positively about Pentax

Zafar Iqbal · 09-25-2012, 07:04 PM

I'm *very* skeptical about the sample photo. We are seeing a photo of photographs at thumbnail sized samples, yet the difference in sharpness is clearly noticeable? I have a hard time believing that.

Lets turn it around for a sec - how much would you need to sharpen your original photo in other for the added sharpness to still be noticeable at similar down scaled size?

JinDesu · 09-25-2012, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Zafar Iqbal

I'm *very* skeptical about the sample photo. We are seeing a photo of photographs at thumbnail sized samples, yet the difference in sharpness is clearly noticeable? I have a hard time believing that.

Lets turn it around for a sec - how much would you need to sharpen your original photo in other for the added sharpness to still be noticeable at similar down scaled size?

But can you get that sharpness with digital sharpening? You might hit the point where artifacts start showing.

Of course, I agree with waiting for full size samples. However, Adam said that he saw some when he was at Photokina, and was suitably impressed.

09-25-2012, 06:39 PM	#28
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by Caat If the K5IIs is as moire free as the II I might well be very tempted. Combined with the AF improvements it would make the IIs a significant upgrade of the K-5 whereas the II would be a simple tweaked K-5. Unlikely, because if they're so close then might as well cancel the II and just release the IIs by itself.... but like everyone else I'm looking forward to more tests in the coming weeks, especially when reviewers get their copies for testing. The Pentax community in Manila is planning to have another meetup in the second week of October and we're expecting the II and IIs to be there, though by that time they've probably been released in Japan and the US. Originally posted by repaap So, eyes and ears are pointing towards Singapore pentaxians...I guess. Frank have been quite active with these at past, no? History-wise yes. So by the last week of September he'll probably have one in his hands for testing. Originally posted by robbiec Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested. Reminds me how the Nikon D3200, which was announced and released later than the K-30, got a complete review before the latter. ) lol. They're waiting for the Pentax hype to die down before releasing a complete unbiased review. It's like they don't want people talking positively about Pentax Last edited by Alizarine; 09-25-2012 at 06:44 PM.

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photoephemere Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Near from Paris Photos: Albums Posts: 38	where did you buy your jeans ? it seemed to be same of mine ! ;-)

09-25-2012, 10:13 AM	#17
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,026	Originally posted by Ishpuini One of the adjustment brushes available in Lightroom is a Moiré removal brush. There's demos online that show D800E pictures showing Moiré being treated and all Moiré being removed using this brush. Don't count on that moiré brush tool to fix everything. I couldn't get the all the moiré out of one of my shots. It starts to become noticeable too. Almost like a localized blurry spot due to decreased sharpness from the remainder of the scene.

09-25-2012, 10:29 AM	#18
theskonesdad Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Creston,B.C. Posts: 73	If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II?

09-25-2012, 11:13 AM	#19
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by theskonesdad If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II? That's a good question, but let me phrase it like that: if they have to buy/sell the AA-less sensor for 200$ more, wouldn't be the first complain, why they don't sell the K5II also without this tweak for 200$ less?

09-25-2012, 11:35 AM	#20
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by MMVIII That's a good question, but let me phrase it like that: if they have to buy/sell the AA-less sensor for 200$ more, wouldn't be the first complain, why they don't sell the K5II also without this tweak for 200$ less? Smaller production run?

09-25-2012, 12:33 PM	#21
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	Originally posted by PeterBex I hope that dpreview get an early one to trial. I feel my credit card burning a hole in my jeans. Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested. Wait till you see what some of the lads & lassies here can do with the K-5 IIs. Better than any review.

09-25-2012, 12:39 PM	#22
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	So, eyes and ears are pointing towards Singapore pentaxians...I guess. Frank have been quite active with these at past, no?

09-25-2012, 01:31 PM	#23
VTerlakyPhoto Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 107	From this small image it looks promising, looking forward to actual tests

09-25-2012, 01:34 PM	#24
civiletti Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 1,435	Originally posted by theskonesdad If the K5IIs is moire free, why did they produce the K5II? It has something to do with the occult.

09-25-2012, 02:51 PM	#25
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by normhead Smaller production run? Yes, a smaller run. But that effect is compounded, from what I understand, by the need for a slightly different arrangement on the lens side, if you will, of the sensor. Remember that the AA filter is not simply a piece of glass placed before the sensor assembly. "Removing it with tweezers", as someone suggested, is not what happens on the production line.

09-25-2012, 02:55 PM	#26
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	And in another vein, I found that image difficult to gain much data from. "This image or video is currently unavailable" in what appears to be eight written languages/alphabets leaves me rather bemused.

09-25-2012, 04:33 PM	#27
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by robbiec Why? DPR will just hold onto it until every other competitor has been tested. Wait till you see what some of the lads & lassies here can do with the K-5 IIs. Better than any review. Too true. Adam has already gone on record saying he'll have one of the first ones that comes available and is looking forward to doing the review.

09-25-2012, 07:04 PM	#29
Zafar Iqbal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,229	I'm very skeptical about the sample photo. We are seeing a photo of photographs at thumbnail sized samples, yet the difference in sharpness is clearly noticeable? I have a hard time believing that. Lets turn it around for a sec - how much would you need to sharpen your original photo in other for the added sharpness to still be noticeable at similar down scaled size?

09-25-2012, 07:23 PM	#30
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by Zafar Iqbal I'm very skeptical about the sample photo. We are seeing a photo of photographs at thumbnail sized samples, yet the difference in sharpness is clearly noticeable? I have a hard time believing that. Lets turn it around for a sec - how much would you need to sharpen your original photo in other for the added sharpness to still be noticeable at similar down scaled size? But can you get that sharpness with digital sharpening? You might hit the point where artifacts start showing. Of course, I agree with waiting for full size samples. However, Adam said that he saw some when he was at Photokina, and was suitably impressed.