K5IIs sample?

schufosi777 · 09-28-2012, 12:48 AM

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The sample of the K5ii looks almost as if it has a polarising filter. Such a noticeable difference. The other is so hazy.

garyk · 09-28-2012, 03:10 AM

Will the new k5lls show the crazy color like the d800e? I saw a comparison of the feather of a bird with the d800e and it was not a pretty sight.
I wonder since the megapixels being smaller will it reduce the Moire?

froeschle · 09-28-2012, 03:22 AM

Interesting photos:

K-5 II vs. K-5 IIs

Source: www.yaotomi.co.jp

Alizarine · 09-28-2012, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by garyk

I wonder since the megapixels being smaller will it reduce the Moire?

Some say it's the opposite, that the more densely-packed the pixels are the less chances of moire coming out. But I'm not sure about that either... guess I'll just wait for actual results to come out.

The photos from the Japanese samplers are interesting, but as for now, I still find them hard to believe. A week or two and Adam will probably have a copy for review

Winder · 09-28-2012, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

Some say it's the opposite, that the more densely-packed the pixels are the less chances of moire coming out. But I'm not sure about that either... guess I'll just wait for actual results to come out.

The photos from the Japanese samplers are interesting, but as for now, I still find them hard to believe. A week or two and Adam will probably have a copy for review

Pixel density in the D800E and the K-5 is the same. Morie is less likely on a higher density sensor.

The photo's are probably OOC JEPGs which means they have had sharpening apply to them. They do look pretty crisp, but they are probably real.

Zafar Iqbal · 09-28-2012, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by froeschle

Interesting photos:

Thanks for posting these. Makes me a lot more happier to see these were small crops.

Jean Poitiers · 09-28-2012, 08:32 AM

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froeschle · 09-28-2012, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

?????????????? PENTAX K-5IIs ??????Part.III - ??????????by????????

Yes, www.yaotomi.co.jp is the source of the images as stated in #64.

Google translate:

Quote:

K-5II / K-5IIs, "I would rather have bought one? Maybe I" seems to have become the exhibition to answer the question of content.

Sky Building Umeda Stella Hall 17:12 am - September 30, Osaka
Akihabara Dai Building at 13 hours 30 minutes to 18, October 06, the Tokyo Convention Hall on the second floor
17:10 am - October 7
Toyota Building West Building 8th floor the second time - 17:12, October 14, Nagoya
Toyota Building Fukuoka am to 17:12 October 21, Fukuoka (FT building) B2F Espacio scalar

Of course, I am also planning to go to Osaka venue.
For customers that can not be coming in the distance, it is expected to be delivered in a still image and video information obtained in the field.

In particular, for the people under consideration transfer from K-5, I have to be able to think concretely comparison (comparing old and new) the evolution of the performance of AF.

Class A · 09-29-2012, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

However he said they couldn't produce a single shot that showed Moiré (using on camera review).

That is a reflection on their abilities or the limitations of the image viewing constraints (back LCD?).

It is possible to produce moiré with a K-5 with an AA filter!

Originally posted by garyk

Will the new k5lls show the crazy color like the d800e? I saw a comparison of the feather of a bird with the d800e and it was not a pretty sight.

Of course, some moiré effects with the K-5 IIs will be as ugly.

The pixel density is the same as on the D800e (so moiré will appear under the same conditions and if you consider equivalent images, moiré will occur much more often) but due to the larger (APS-C induced) enlargement factor it will be even more visible in K-5 IIs shots.

The K-5 IIs is being way overhyped and is definitely not the right choice for the vast majority of shooters.

Alizarine · 09-29-2012, 04:54 AM

I do hope Pentax releases its own papers regarding their approach to AA-less sensor like Nikon did with the D800E. Not to mirror Nikon of course, but to carefully explain to potential buyers how their own approach will affect user photos. Was it really just AA-less or some other technique? What else did they do?

or do they leave the research part up to future users, thinking "if you want one, study one! your purchase decisions are none of our business"?

beholder3 · 09-29-2012, 05:01 AM - **1 Like**

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timcatn · 09-29-2012, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

I wonder if you can actually explain your physics behind this.

And after that, maybe you just try reality with a P&S or mobile phone cam vs. any DSLR, shooting a LCD computer screen (which will definitely show moire using these type of pictures AF microadjustment for the 1Ds mark III, 1D Mk3, 5D Mk2, 7D, 1D X). Then please show us both pictures and explain how it is "more visible" on the P&S picture.

Always happy to learn and see pictures proving interesting statements.

I think he meant more enlargement when printing.

Uluru · 09-30-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Class A

That is a reflection on their abilities or the limitations of the image viewing constraints (back LCD?).

It is possible to produce moiré with a K-5 with an AA filter!

Of course, some moiré effects with the K-5 IIs will be as ugly.

The pixel density is the same as on the D800e (so moiré will appear under the same conditions) but due to the larger (APS-C induced) enlargement factor it will be even more visible in K-5 IIs shots.

The K-5 IIs is being way overhyped and is definitely not the right choice for the vast majority of shooters.

Moire, if it's noticeable at all, is so easily fixed in PP. Sean Reid has shown this quite clearly.
But, who on Earth can fix such a horrid, whining attitude of yours?

Uluru · 09-30-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Alizarine

I do hope Pentax releases its own papers regarding their approach to AA-less sensor like Nikon did with the D800E. Not to mirror Nikon of course, but to carefully explain to potential buyers how their own approach will affect user photos. Was it really just AA-less or some other technique? What else did they do?
or do they leave the research part up to future users, thinking "if you want one, study one! your purchase decisions are none of our business"?

I think that what you ask is rather impossible. It's the apologetic society doctrine you ask for and which has no stand in the art of photography.

There are many AA-less cameras, and have their manufacturers bother to explain to people what it means when they take photographs with such cameras? Nope. Say, Leica simply says "razor sharp". And that is all what is required because all else is heavily influenced by the shooting habits of each individual photographer. Some intrinsic qualities that go with that are presumed, rather than apologised for.

Perhaps sticking to reality and more common sense may help. You also got your own life with no included manual and have to test it in different environments to see how it works best for you.

nanok · 09-30-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

(...)
You also got your own life with no included manual and have to test it in different environments to see how it works best for you.

wait, what? yours didn't come with a manual? am i the only one who has been handed the complete manual in 5 languages upon.. ahem.. arrival?

/me walks off mumbling "now i know what's wrong with the world.."

09-29-2012, 02:42 AM	#69
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Ishpuini However he said they couldn't produce a single shot that showed Moiré (using on camera review). That is a reflection on their abilities or the limitations of the image viewing constraints (back LCD?). It is possible to produce moiré with a K-5 with an AA filter! Originally posted by garyk Will the new k5lls show the crazy color like the d800e? I saw a comparison of the feather of a bird with the d800e and it was not a pretty sight. Of course, some moiré effects with the K-5 IIs will be as ugly. The pixel density is the same as on the D800e (so moiré will appear under the same conditions and if you consider equivalent images, moiré will occur much more often) but due to the larger (APS-C induced) enlargement factor it will be even more visible in K-5 IIs shots. The K-5 IIs is being way overhyped and is definitely not the right choice for the vast majority of shooters. Last edited by Class A; 10-17-2012 at 06:59 PM.

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09-28-2012, 12:48 AM	#61
schufosi777 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kitakyushu Posts: 186	??????????by???????? The sample of the K5ii looks almost as if it has a polarising filter. Such a noticeable difference. The other is so hazy.

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09-28-2012, 03:22 AM	#63
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09-28-2012, 03:30 AM	#64
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by garyk I wonder since the megapixels being smaller will it reduce the Moire? Some say it's the opposite, that the more densely-packed the pixels are the less chances of moire coming out. But I'm not sure about that either... guess I'll just wait for actual results to come out. The photos from the Japanese samplers are interesting, but as for now, I still find them hard to believe. A week or two and Adam will probably have a copy for review

09-28-2012, 06:26 AM	#65
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Alizarine Some say it's the opposite, that the more densely-packed the pixels are the less chances of moire coming out. But I'm not sure about that either... guess I'll just wait for actual results to come out. The photos from the Japanese samplers are interesting, but as for now, I still find them hard to believe. A week or two and Adam will probably have a copy for review Pixel density in the D800E and the K-5 is the same. Morie is less likely on a higher density sensor. The photo's are probably OOC JEPGs which means they have had sharpening apply to them. They do look pretty crisp, but they are probably real.

09-28-2012, 08:27 AM	#66
Zafar Iqbal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,229	Originally posted by froeschle Interesting photos: Thanks for posting these. Makes me a lot more happier to see these were small crops.

09-28-2012, 08:32 AM	#67
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	?????????????? PENTAX K-5IIs ??????Part.III - ??????????by????????

09-28-2012, 09:09 AM	#68
froeschle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 552	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers ?????????????? PENTAX K-5IIs ??????Part.III - ??????????by???????? Yes, www.yaotomi.co.jp is the source of the images as stated in #64. Google translate: Quote: K-5II / K-5IIs, "I would rather have bought one? Maybe I" seems to have become the exhibition to answer the question of content. Sky Building Umeda Stella Hall 17:12 am - September 30, Osaka Akihabara Dai Building at 13 hours 30 minutes to 18, October 06, the Tokyo Convention Hall on the second floor 17:10 am - October 7 Toyota Building West Building 8th floor the second time - 17:12, October 14, Nagoya Toyota Building Fukuoka am to 17:12 October 21, Fukuoka (FT building) B2F Espacio scalar Of course, I am also planning to go to Osaka venue. For customers that can not be coming in the distance, it is expected to be delivered in a still image and video information obtained in the field. In particular, for the people under consideration transfer from K-5, I have to be able to think concretely comparison (comparing old and new) the evolution of the performance of AF.

09-29-2012, 04:54 AM	#70
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	I do hope Pentax releases its own papers regarding their approach to AA-less sensor like Nikon did with the D800E. Not to mirror Nikon of course, but to carefully explain to potential buyers how their own approach will affect user photos. Was it really just AA-less or some other technique? What else did they do? or do they leave the research part up to future users, thinking "if you want one, study one! your purchase decisions are none of our business"?

09-29-2012, 07:21 AM	#72
timcatn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Trondheim Posts: 237	Originally posted by beholder3 I wonder if you can actually explain your physics behind this. And after that, maybe you just try reality with a P&S or mobile phone cam vs. any DSLR, shooting a LCD computer screen (which will definitely show moire using these type of pictures AF microadjustment for the 1Ds mark III, 1D Mk3, 5D Mk2, 7D, 1D X). Then please show us both pictures and explain how it is "more visible" on the P&S picture. Always happy to learn and see pictures proving interesting statements. I think he meant more enlargement when printing.

09-30-2012, 03:34 PM	#73
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Class A That is a reflection on their abilities or the limitations of the image viewing constraints (back LCD?). It is possible to produce moiré with a K-5 with an AA filter! Of course, some moiré effects with the K-5 IIs will be as ugly. The pixel density is the same as on the D800e (so moiré will appear under the same conditions) but due to the larger (APS-C induced) enlargement factor it will be even more visible in K-5 IIs shots. The K-5 IIs is being way overhyped and is definitely not the right choice for the vast majority of shooters. Moire, if it's noticeable at all, is so easily fixed in PP. Sean Reid has shown this quite clearly. But, who on Earth can fix such a horrid, whining attitude of yours?

09-30-2012, 03:40 PM	#74
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Alizarine I do hope Pentax releases its own papers regarding their approach to AA-less sensor like Nikon did with the D800E. Not to mirror Nikon of course, but to carefully explain to potential buyers how their own approach will affect user photos. Was it really just AA-less or some other technique? What else did they do? or do they leave the research part up to future users, thinking "if you want one, study one! your purchase decisions are none of our business"? I think that what you ask is rather impossible. It's the apologetic society doctrine you ask for and which has no stand in the art of photography. There are many AA-less cameras, and have their manufacturers bother to explain to people what it means when they take photographs with such cameras? Nope. Say, Leica simply says "razor sharp". And that is all what is required because all else is heavily influenced by the shooting habits of each individual photographer. Some intrinsic qualities that go with that are presumed, rather than apologised for. Perhaps sticking to reality and more common sense may help. You also got your own life with no included manual and have to test it in different environments to see how it works best for you.

09-30-2012, 04:27 PM	#75
nanok Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 969	Originally posted by Uluru (...) You also got your own life with no included manual and have to test it in different environments to see how it works best for you. wait, what? yours didn't come with a manual? am i the only one who has been handed the complete manual in 5 languages upon.. ahem.. arrival? /me walks off mumbling "now i know what's wrong with the world.."