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09-28-2012, 12:25 AM   #121
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Seems there's two separate strong trends in the industry; larger and larger sensors for each segment, and smaller form factors for portability.
Someone better remind Fuji about this compelling trend.
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09-28-2012, 12:32 AM   #122
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Well, the f/2 zooms couldn't save 4/3 - they won't help m4/3 either.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Someone better remind Fuji about this compelling trend.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
An f/2 zoom on FT corresponds to a f/2.7 zoom on APS-C (i.e., the latter allows you to take the same images as the former).

I wouldn't call that faster, not really.
An f/2 zoom actually corresponds to an f/2.5 one on APS-C. And that is faster. Whether you think it is significantly faster is a different thing, but once you start counting a theoretical 2/3 stop (1/2 stop in practice) as a significant advantage for APS-C, you'd better be ready to count stop fractions either way.

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Someone better remind Fuji about this compelling trend.
Now slap a 24/1.4 or a 35/1.4 on each of those and then tell me which one still looks small. Can you even find an 18/2 for that Pentax? Didn't think so.

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This is what the K-5II is up against, all same price bracket (or less) than K-5II. Take a look at the weight comparison not just the size.



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The grass always looks greener...
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Add a compact lens on each and there's not that much between them.
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let's do some TOP views shall we?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor Quote
It's the Voigtlander Noktons 17.5/0.95 and 25/0.95 that pulled me to MFT.
I can understand that, I know other people who love these lenses, although I think the 45/1.8 (which I convinced my son to buy for his E-PL1, and he's very happy with it) is actually a much more useful lens with a broader appeal.

It would be great if Pentax reintroduced an AF version of the 50/1.2. But the A version was sold new in Japan until just some months ago, so maybe some Japanese shops still have it in stock? If crazy thin DoF is what you want, you get less DoF with the 50/1.2 than with the 25/0.95. And as a bonus, it's an A lens too

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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
let's do some TOP views shall we?
Yes, with lenses mounted!

NEX-7 with 50/1.8 without hood vs K-5 with 43Ltd with hood:

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Yes, with lenses mounted!
Yes, let's. how about with kit zooms:
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Yes, let's. how about with kit zooms:
Good point, but I don't think you can buy the NEX-7 with that lens yet!
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Speaking for myself, i don't like the thin and light bodies of the Nex and similar. First it doesn't fit naturally in my hand. The best in this regards is the K5 and D600 of the ones I have tried. Secondly the small mirrorless cameras become very unevenly balanced with the larger lenses. For me these things translates into greater difficulty of getting sharp images at low shutter speeds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by timcatn Quote
Speaking for myself, i don't like the thin and light bodies of the Nex and similar. First it doesn't fit naturally in my hand. The best in this regards is the K5 and D600 of the ones I have tried. Secondly the small mirrorless cameras become very unevenly balanced with the larger lenses. For me these things translates into greater difficulty of getting sharp images at low shutter speeds.
Same here, I love progress and miniaturisation, but making products so small that they become an ergnomic drama should not be the goal. This was a trend in the mobile phone industry. At one time smaller automatically equalled better somehow. That idea is now completely gone and the biggest brightest sharpest display is more important, so they're increasing in size again.

So I'm all for removing the mirror and shorter registry distances and saving space... But then DO something usefull with that gain in extra space. Like a super big and good EVE? Larger battery to compensate the power guzzlling EVF? Larger AF assistance lights? Or what about making more use of that SR? With the extra space a mechanism could be developed that slides the sensor towards the sensor and back, thus creating internal AF, making super accurate AF possible with non-AF lenses, or with any lens from any competitor brand. And that's just what I can think of in 20 seconds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by timcatn Quote
Speaking for myself, i don't like the thin and light bodies of the Nex and similar. First it doesn't fit naturally in my hand. The best in this regards is the K5 and D600 of the ones I have tried. Secondly the small mirrorless cameras become very unevenly balanced with the larger lenses. For me these things translates into greater difficulty of getting sharp images at low shutter speeds.
it's true, I think Sony got slammed on the size of their lenses and is now going back and making them smaller (like the new kit lens above). have you held an OM-D? the Leica add-on like thumb grip is a revelation:
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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
Yes, let's. how about with kit zooms:
This sort of example seems to make the NEX7 an all time winner, but in reality, all cameras are a compromise.
Somethings got to be left out or done in another way.
1. No SR
2. No WR
3. Poor edges in picture IQ unless using the 16mp sensor on NEX3,5,6.
4. EVF for the good and/or bad.
5. Different build standard.
6. Some lenses, the NEX ones are obviously overgrown on the body.
7. Are they even the same in optical quality (ie. like true optical corrections for CA and distortions?)


The two cameras presented are just different.
Just choose the tool according to your needs.
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