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10-12-2012, 08:14 AM   #166
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If Pentax Ricoh wanted to design a K-mount mirrorless camera whilst keeping it small, they could use a design la MX.

Optio MX I mean .



http://www.pentax.fr/fr/compacts-numeriques/photos/optio-mx.html



http://www.pentax.fr/fr/compacts-numeriques/photos/optio-mx4.html

Just imagine a cylinder or a parallelepiped la Lytro, only slightly bigger than K mount in outer diameter and only slightly lengthier than the 45.46mm k-mount's register, with:

- mount flange in front
- pop-up flash on top
- rotating grip on one side (with a lot of the camera's electronics put in it)
- fully rotatable and tiltable electronic viewfinder on the rear (therefore allowing right-handed and left-handed people to have the grip on the side that is most convenient to them)


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10-12-2012, 10:20 AM   #167
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
...But your vision is a little to high to frame the good way I guess or did you alter the O-VF1?
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A litle bit yes, but it really changes things when you shoot close to the subject, where the view finder has two lines for parallax correction, that work roughly in an acceptable manner.
Same with the 3:2 versus 4:3 frame format : the difference is not an issue and can be easily accomodated.
The "worst" point is the appearance of the FA 31mm lens-tip in the bottom of the frame, but not that much protuding though.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
If Pentax Ricoh wanted to design a K-mount mirrorless camera whilst keeping it small, they could use a design la MX.

Optio MX I mean .
...Or they could design something that would, you know, sell.
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(Quote from offensive post deleted - I'll just respond to the hypothetical proposition that the Optio MX is a suitable form factor for a serious still camera.)

Let me be among the first, then, to admit to being unrepentantly camerashape-ist.

On that Optio MX form factor, where do you propose to locate (ideally) two control wheels, an EV button, an ISO button, a shutter release button, a separate AF button, a green button, to name but a few controls I like to have within reach? My other hand will be busy holding/stabilizing the lens, thankyouverymuch.


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Digital Photo Pro magazine The Guide To Advanced Photography Technology And Creativity | DigitalPhotoPro.com has an article on mirrorless cameras and they noted that the K-01 can use the entire k-mount range, no adapter required. The K-01 came out pretty good as such 'reviews' usually ignore Pentax.
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Mirrorless cameras with k-mount a commercial hit for Pentax?

QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Digital Photo Pro magazine The Guide To Advanced Photography Technology And Creativity | DigitalPhotoPro.com has an article on mirrorless cameras and they noted that the K-01 can use the entire k-mount range, no adapter required. The K-01 came out pretty good as such 'reviews' usually ignore Pentax.
Maybe that magazine is on to something..? This might be a wise technical solution, and there might be a great deal of demand for more such cameras from Pentax. Various kinds of camera houses, without a mirror, from beginner to pro level, all with the k-mount, could perhaps be a big commercial success for Pentax..?
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Ha, would be funny if Pentax started making individual cameras instead of lines. Only "special models" - the K-mount being the only thing they have in common.
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maybe the project was shelved to make way (both r&d and commercial) for the development of the Ricoh GXR k mount module

My ideal camera would be a updated GXR body with stabilized k mount module and stabilized m-mount module, the only thing I don't like about the actual gxr (apart from the electronics obviously to be updated since the age) is the EVF that is too little (magnification), some 4/3 bodies like gh2 have a 0.71x viewfinder, so I would like something at least equal

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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
Lol, I think there may be a few in Pentax who will be very keen to wait as long as possible before reading the latest sales reports from their home market. BCN sales rankings in Japan has various Pentax Q kits at 37, 50, 54 and 80 and the K-30 at 74. Er, that's it. No K-01 in there.
Because for the month of September, the K-01 ranked outside the top 150 - #152, #157 & #164.
And you can see why K-01 is a one off model

QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Well looking at that list states #34 D600; #46 D800; #58 5DIII; and#68 5DIIkit so investing in FF isn't going to bring that list closer for Pentax.
Ranking within the top 50 with a high profit margin camera is completely different to a ranked out-of-top-150 low profit margin camera.
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So the K-01 didn't make the who's who of cameras. Does every camera have to make the top 150 to be a success?
Niche market success is not determined by sale numbers alone.
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I'd guess it needs some sales to be profitable, because the margins aren't too high.
The answer to your question is definitely a "no", but it can't be applied to the K-01.
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Now what's up with the several GXR modules ?
10-15-2012, 03:56 AM   #178
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QuoteOriginally posted by nosnoop Quote
Because for the month of September, the K-01 ranked outside the top 150 - #152, #157 & #164.
And you can see why K-01 is a one off model
That's not so bad when you consider that Pentax cameras receive virtually no marketing and really aren't available in many areas except through online sales.
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So the K-01 didn't make the who's who of cameras. Does every camera have to make the top 150 to be a success?
Niche market success is not determined by sale numbers alone.
I consider it a success because it was more than just a concept or mocked up prototype at a Show. On top of that, it did sell.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'd guess it needs some sales to be profitable, because the margins aren't too high.
The answer to your question is definitely a "no", but it can't be applied to the K-01.
We have no real idea what the margin on the K-01 is; no real idea what the initial production runs (by color) were; and no real idea what was learned developing and marketing the fine K-01 camera. Therefore we have no real idea whether the K-01 was a success - as success was defined by Pentax.

I believe it was a smashing success and achieved all its goals.

But my belief is just as much a guess as everyone else's is.
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