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02-05-2008, 10:53 AM   #31
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A negative erroneous review like this, based on a few minutes fondling the camera at the PMA, could kill potential sales before the camera is even available. It would appear to be appropriate for the Pentax Corp. to take some sort of action now, legal or otherwise. According to another poster, there are currently only two websites that have a review. It could be very influential to some consumers.

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I say we send this anti-Pentaxian a box of chocolates and some roses

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnV3 Quote
A negative erroneous review like this, based on a few minutes fondling the camera at the PMA, could kill potential sales before the camera is even available. It would appear to be appropriate for the Pentax Corp. to take some sort of action now, legal or otherwise. According to another poster, there are currently only two websites that have a review. It could be very influential to some consumers.
I can't imagine taking legal action to squash a critical review having any good outcome. Especially given that it's actually a generally positive but clueless preview.

I also can't imagine it having much of a negative impact on sales given this camera's place in the market. Once the real reviews from respected sites come rolling in, no one will pay any attention.
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I'd strongly recommend the op to remove the link to the review from this topic, as this will surely send some traffic to the website and help it rank higher on searches. Just leave the name of the site for anyone who doesn't mind some extra effort to find it :]

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Hmmmm

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which is probably the most constructive thing to do.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mattdm Quote
I can't imagine taking legal action given that it's actually a generally positive but clueless preview.

From looking at the updated more expanded version of the review now up there - it seems that it is not really positive at all.

Basically, she sees the only point in owning this camera is if you're someone with a "bag of old Pentax lenses."
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I say we hang this anti-Pentaxian witch by her ********!
I really winced when I hit the quote button here...but, please, Tom, could I ask that you be a bit more considerate about your wording when flaming a less-than-professional reviewer? Nothing to to with political correctness, just basic respect among humans and your female fellow forum participants...off my soapbox, now.

I really think Emily has a lot to learn about the reviewer's craft, and I hope she'll make an effort to master her subject matter so that her reviews in the future will reflect competence and lack of bias. It further appears that she has much to learn about Pentax DSLRs, so I also hope she'll be hanging around the "lab" when the K20D comes in for "a full review."

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QuoteOriginally posted by mutley Quote
From looking at the updated more expanded version of the review now up there - it seems that it is not really positive at all.

Basically, she sees the only point in owning this camera is if you're someone with a "bag of old Pentax lenses."

I have do disagreement with the general observation that the review is flawed but the errors
strike me as coming from someone who had never seen a Pentax before. At least at one point there is a correction about the MP's of the K10 and a comment that it was being changed because of feedback, but then it wasn't changed in the second place in the article.

She acknowledges that she had no opportunity to take a picture with it--and thus no chance to render an opinion on whether it takes 'better pictures' than the k10.

the out of focus picture of the camera is the first clue that there may be problems here. However from a writing standpoint what she did is quite a challenge.

For those of us familar with the K10 we can be much more brief. For example, the review can start: "From the outside the K20 looks just like a K10 Except.---- ' and then list the 3 or 4 external items that are different. This would be much shorter and communicate much better for those of us who own a K10. On the other hand it would be completely unhelpful
to those who have never seen a k10.

The middle ground would have been for the writer to begin each paragraph with a "just like the k10, the side of the body has the following----- however this new feature exists-------

Item: she was baffled by the built in flash, and the process for setting the flash exposure compensation: Seriously now is anyone going to bitch about her observations here???
Will anyonce concede that the flash exposure control is a little mysterious, particularly to one who sometimes uses the built in flash and othertimes uses an external

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James Murray and Emily Raymond You can ask this people directly who representative this review .Emily Raymond (Contributing Writer) worked as a news photographer and reporter for two years at The Daily Universe in Provo, Utah. She is a graduate of Brigham Young University, where she majored in print journalism while running track and cross country. Now living in Boston, Emily shoots sports photography for magazines and runs for the Greater Boston Track Club. Emily loves writing, running, and photography.

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being one of the first reviews, I see that some news sites, or blogs or photo sites have picked this one as news...so is definitely not good as it holds so many wrong data. Hasn't anybody been able to contact these guys ?
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I previously posted that the website had a forum. One of the categories is "Buying and General Q&A" where there was a posting about the errors in the K20 review. I checked that category again today and found most of the recent postings are pornographic ads. Under the "News" category, the moderator announced his resignation.

So much for the credibility of that website.
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QuoteOriginally posted by christinelandon Quote
I really winced when I hit the quote button here...but, please, Tom, could I ask that you be a bit more considerate about your wording when flaming a less-than-professional reviewer? Nothing to to with political correctness, just basic respect among humans and your female fellow forum participants...off my soapbox, now.

I really think Emily has a lot to learn about the reviewer's craft, and I hope she'll make an effort to master her subject matter so that her reviews in the future will reflect competence and lack of bias. It further appears that she has much to learn about Pentax DSLRs, so I also hope she'll be hanging around the "lab" when the K20D comes in for "a full review."
Sorry Christine - I don't really mean it. It was the dark humor in me creeping out a little.. Heck, I'd likely rather snuggle the melons
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Thanks, Tom. I like that sentiment much better than the original!
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Dont worry Christine I think Tom sounds pretty cool....its all in good humor. Actually I saw this review before it was posted by the op. I thought it would lead to people perhaps gaining a bad initial impression of the k20d. So I did not refer it to this forum. But wow has it caused some angst. Glad I said nothing. Poor Emily. We all have to learn sometime , some place.........but hey not at the expense of Pentax. I feel sorry for her in a way. She just trying to do her job and sound as though she is doing it well. She will get better. Dont give up on her. She runs track. Would like to know her times. I was a 800m/1500m state champion and u know I think this 21 f/ps would be an invaluable coaching aid when it comes to studying the techqnique of the athlete. Perhaps she could of mentioned that.
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THAT WAS NOT A REVIEW...IT DID NOT MERIT BEING PUBLISHED!!!!
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