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ElJamoquio · 10-02-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Bragging rights.

And viewfinder, and better resolving power, and cheaper lenses for an equivalent DOF...

**RobA_Oz** · 10-02-2012, 01:03 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

And viewfinder, and better resolving power, and cheaper lenses for an equivalent DOF...

Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us?

JohnBee · 10-02-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Why does anyone need a D600 now?

Personally I'm not a fan of the D600 myself, though the notion that more is better does come to mind(resolution, DR, color, pixel quality, DOF, etc).

illdefined · 10-02-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us?

The FA 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited. (currently can only enjoy about 40% of each)

Kunzite · 10-02-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us?

It definitely didn't brought peace...

**RobA_Oz** · 10-02-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

The FA 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited. (currently can only enjoy about 40% of each)

Now, you're being serious (hint: substitute "Romans" for "FF"). I really must stop these old cultural allusions.

If we are being serious, though, the D600 is more interesting to me than the monster D800, but mainly because of its size. Even so, the even smaller K-5IIs has greater interest to me as a value proposition. I can live with the dimmer viewfinder, and I don't find the DoF argument wholly persuasive against size, build and cost, as things stand, but, like others, I'd like to wait and see some RAW files before I'll think about parting with money for one.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-02-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

It definitely didn't brought peace...

Or aqueducts! Thank you, thank you.

civiletti · 10-02-2012, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Couscousdelight

Moiré ?

If that is characteristic of the extent of moire, it's not much problem.

conradj · 10-02-2012, 01:54 PM

The detail in the trees in the K-5 IIs shot is definitely better than that in the K-5 II shot, and better than what i get out of my K-5.

illdefined · 10-02-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Now, you're being serious (hint: substitute "Romans" for "FF"). I really must stop these old cultural allusions.

If we are being serious, though, the D600 is more interesting to me than the monster D800, but mainly because of its size. Even so, the even smaller K-5IIs has greater interest to me as a value proposition. I can live with the dimmer viewfinder, and I don't find the DoF argument wholly persuasive against size, build and cost, as things stand, but, like others, I'd like to wait and see some RAW files before I'll think about parting with money for one.

realized you weren't so serious only after posting.

agreed on the D600 re: size, but i think when Pentaxians are still here asking for FF it's because they want Pentax's take on FF, i.e. small and tough. people who need/want the real IQ benefits of FF over all other considerations (including their lens collections) are already in the process of leaving Pentax and this forum if they haven't already done so .

**RobA_Oz** · 10-02-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

realized you weren't so serious only after posting.

agreed on the D600 re: size, but i think when Pentaxians are still here asking for FF it's because they want Pentax's take on FF, i.e. small and tough. people who need/want the real IQ benefits of FF over all other considerations (including their lens collections) are already in the process of leaving Pentax and this forum if they haven't already done so .

We do have a tendency to get rather over-committed in some discussions here (the 4/3rds versus APS-C arguments being a case in point, as well as the manifold APS-C versus FF arguments).

I whole-heartedly agree with your view on what those of us who stay with Pentax want in a 35mm sensor body. Mind you, it would be nice to have a DA*30/1.2 for those occasions where we could use a brighter viewfinder and narrower DoF, while we're waiting.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-02-2012, 03:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

It definitely didn't brought peace...

Interesting concept, though. "Pax Fullframus": the peace brought about by having the FF sensor drive out all the competition. Maybe the Romans were onto something, after all.

**wizofoz** · 10-02-2012, 03:21 PM

'Pax Fullframus'

That's great Rob. I sputtered my cuppa.

**Digitalis** · 10-02-2012, 10:58 PM

I can spot moire from a mile off - and yes these samples from the K5IIs do have it, unfortunately the fact that these are out of camera processed JPG files means that it will probably look just as bad as every camera that doesn't have an AA filter.

I wish they had used better lenses for these sample shots, you know - like the FA and DA limited lenses. Zoom lenses just don't do it for me these days, I'm itching to see a portrait done with the FA77 @ f/1.8 on the K5IIs

**PJ1** · 10-03-2012, 03:36 AM

I cracked up too. Thanks, Rob.

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10-02-2012, 12:46 PM	#31
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Bragging rights. And viewfinder, and better resolving power, and cheaper lenses for an equivalent DOF...

10-02-2012, 01:03 PM - 2 Likes	#32
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by ElJamoquio And viewfinder, and better resolving power, and cheaper lenses for an equivalent DOF... Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us?

10-02-2012, 01:06 PM	#33
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by rawr Why does anyone need a D600 now? Personally I'm not a fan of the D600 myself, though the notion that more is better does come to mind(resolution, DR, color, pixel quality, DOF, etc).

10-02-2012, 01:18 PM	#34
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us? The FA 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited. (currently can only enjoy about 40% of each)

10-02-2012, 01:25 PM	#35
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Yeah, OK, but aside from that, what did FF ever do for us? It definitely didn't brought peace...

10-02-2012, 01:35 PM	#36
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by illdefined The FA 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited. (currently can only enjoy about 40% of each) Now, you're being serious (hint: substitute "Romans" for "FF"). I really must stop these old cultural allusions. If we are being serious, though, the D600 is more interesting to me than the monster D800, but mainly because of its size. Even so, the even smaller K-5IIs has greater interest to me as a value proposition. I can live with the dimmer viewfinder, and I don't find the DoF argument wholly persuasive against size, build and cost, as things stand, but, like others, I'd like to wait and see some RAW files before I'll think about parting with money for one.

10-02-2012, 01:37 PM	#37
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by Kunzite It definitely didn't brought peace... Or aqueducts! Thank you, thank you.

10-02-2012, 01:41 PM	#38
civiletti Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 1,435	Originally posted by Couscousdelight Moiré ? If that is characteristic of the extent of moire, it's not much problem.

10-02-2012, 01:54 PM	#39
conradj Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 188	The detail in the trees in the K-5 IIs shot is definitely better than that in the K-5 II shot, and better than what i get out of my K-5.

10-02-2012, 01:54 PM	#40
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Now, you're being serious (hint: substitute "Romans" for "FF"). I really must stop these old cultural allusions. If we are being serious, though, the D600 is more interesting to me than the monster D800, but mainly because of its size. Even so, the even smaller K-5IIs has greater interest to me as a value proposition. I can live with the dimmer viewfinder, and I don't find the DoF argument wholly persuasive against size, build and cost, as things stand, but, like others, I'd like to wait and see some RAW files before I'll think about parting with money for one. realized you weren't so serious only after posting. agreed on the D600 re: size, but i think when Pentaxians are still here asking for FF it's because they want Pentax's take on FF, i.e. small and tough. people who need/want the real IQ benefits of FF over all other considerations (including their lens collections) are already in the process of leaving Pentax and this forum if they haven't already done so .

10-02-2012, 03:05 PM	#41
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by illdefined realized you weren't so serious only after posting. agreed on the D600 re: size, but i think when Pentaxians are still here asking for FF it's because they want Pentax's take on FF, i.e. small and tough. people who need/want the real IQ benefits of FF over all other considerations (including their lens collections) are already in the process of leaving Pentax and this forum if they haven't already done so . We do have a tendency to get rather over-committed in some discussions here (the 4/3rds versus APS-C arguments being a case in point, as well as the manifold APS-C versus FF arguments). I whole-heartedly agree with your view on what those of us who stay with Pentax want in a 35mm sensor body. Mind you, it would be nice to have a DA*30/1.2 for those occasions where we could use a brighter viewfinder and narrower DoF, while we're waiting.

10-02-2012, 03:14 PM - 1 Like	#42
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by Kunzite It definitely didn't brought peace... Interesting concept, though. "Pax Fullframus": the peace brought about by having the FF sensor drive out all the competition. Maybe the Romans were onto something, after all.

10-02-2012, 03:21 PM	#43
wizofoz Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne, Outer east. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,695	'Pax Fullframus' That's great Rob. I sputtered my cuppa.

10-02-2012, 10:58 PM	#44
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	I can spot moire from a mile off - and yes these samples from the K5IIs do have it, unfortunately the fact that these are out of camera processed JPG files means that it will probably look just as bad as every camera that doesn't have an AA filter. I wish they had used better lenses for these sample shots, you know - like the FA and DA limited lenses. Zoom lenses just don't do it for me these days, I'm itching to see a portrait done with the FA77 @ f/1.8 on the K5IIs

10-03-2012, 03:36 AM	#45
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,486	I cracked up too. Thanks, Rob.

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