PMA@CES & CP+ coming up...

drugal · 01-29-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

possibly an entry-level K-r style replacement.

Honestly this would give me the most hope, I think that not having an entry level camera is a mistake. I think entry level cameras bring people to the brand.

Alizarine · 01-29-2013, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by drugal

Honestly this would give me the most hope, I think that not having an entry level camera is a mistake. I think entry level cameras bring people to the brand.

I think the K-30 is somewhat coming down into the entry-level price range by now. Well, not 1100D-level, but at least the 650D/D5200.

But oh, I sure do hope they put up even a mockup of something big coming this year. That would be enough. Maybe they're just waiting for Canikon to bring up their big guns before they do, just so that they get better opportunities for retention.

reivax · 01-29-2013, 08:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Alizarine

I think the K-30 is somewhat coming down into the entry-level price range by now. Well, not 1100D-level, but at least the 650D/D5200.

But oh, I sure do hope they put up even a mockup of something big coming this year. That would be enough. Maybe they're just waiting for Canikon to bring up their big guns before they do, just so that they get better opportunities for retention.

I always thought the K-30 was the Kr replacement and, by default, was the entry level camera. The best idea would be to drop the price a little more, move the K-5II into mid range level, and then bring in something new in the high end. The K-5II would have to have its price dropped a bit, but that would only be reasonable. If the D5200 really is beating it out in some of the lab tests, then that's the price range it should be competing with. I remember hearing other people make this recommendation as well, but no one seems to bring it up anymore.

When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less. I love my K-30 and the pictures it can take, but Canon and Nikon are offering features (better af for one) that Pentax just can't compete with. Pentax needs to become that "best bang for your buck" company that I used to recommend to everyone I know. It's just become so hard to make that recommendation.

kenyee · 01-29-2013, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by reivax

When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less.

I think those days are farrrrrrrrr gone

Since Hoya bought it, the whole bang for buck thing has been long gone...

ogl · 01-29-2013, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by JPT

The point about insurance is probably true, but I did hear that the Q10's introduction was delayed four months by supply issues caused by the tsunami. It's quite possible that other releases were delayed too.

Tsunami? Is it JOKE? Pentax didn't suffer from tsunami...No production lines in Japan.

glanglois · 01-29-2013, 08:59 PM - **1 Like**

This is more likely to be about the supply chain than about the final assembly location. I looked at my K-5; there are lots of little pieces inside. Who'd have guessed?

**monochrome** · 01-29-2013, 09:24 PM

Ford Motor Company couldn't assemble Focus cars in Mexico (or anywhere else in the world) because a SINGLE PART (the plastic fuse panel base) was single-sourced from a destroyed Japanese factory. Auto manufacturers lost access to 2/3 of the WORLD'S radiator hose supply for 18 weeks because a specific chemical, made only in Japan and Belgium, could not be made. Auto makers took their summer vacations in April, May and June because they all lost access to some critical part due to the tsunami.

It isn't hard to imagine a relatively small camera company had a product introduction delayed, either by the earthquake, tsunami or by the Thai flooding. As a matter of fact, a global bank's research department recently went bullish on Ricoh stock because the knock-on effects of the tsunami and Thai flooding are finally behind Ricoh - and they believe DigiCam will be significantly additive to company earnings.

ogl · 01-29-2013, 10:13 PM

GXR system, GRD and Ricoh P&S are frozen. Nothing new for last year. Absolutely nothing. K-01 and K-30 are developed in HOYA time.

But we have A LOT OF interesting interviews....

I have all I want...But I'd like to see the progress in Ricoh Pentax.

cfraz · 01-29-2013, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by reivax

I always thought the K-30 was the Kr replacement and, by default, was the entry level camera. The best idea would be to drop the price a little more, move the K-5II into mid range level, and then bring in something new in the high end. The K-5II would have to have its price dropped a bit, but that would only be reasonable. If the D5200 really is beating it out in some of the lab tests, then that's the price range it should be competing with. I remember hearing other people make this recommendation as well, but no one seems to bring it up anymore.

When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less. I love my K-30 and the pictures it can take, but Canon and Nikon are offering features (better af for one) that Pentax just can't compete with. Pentax needs to become that "best bang for your buck" company that I used to recommend to everyone I know. It's just become so hard to make that recommendation.

I think Pentax always refered to the K-30 as a mid-level camera. Whether you or I see it that way depends largely on if our criteria are primarily price or feature based. Price-wise, the K-30 is probably closer to entry level. If you value pentaprism vs. pentamirror, two control wheels, weather sealing, picture IQ, and SR, it's definitely mid range. I don't think any other brand offers even three out of five of those features on their mid range models.

bossa · 01-29-2013, 11:29 PM

I was told by my local Pentax rep' (only a week ago) that a Pentax FF is definitely coming but he couldn't say when. I doubt ANY new APS-C cameras will be announced until later this year (maybe in September) because teh pricing structure of teh line would need a total shake-up to fit anything into it. The K-01 is going out at ridiculous prices (that camera is probably about to be discontinued) and will possibly be replaced by a low-end APS-C offering within the next 3 to 6 months so there may just be an announcement re' that.

Alizarine · 01-30-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by bossa

K-01 is going out at ridiculous prices (that camera is probably about to be discontinued) and will possibly be replaced by a low-end APS-C offering withing the next 3 to 6 months so there may just be an announcement re' that.

Personally I'd be more interested if they developed the K-0x line into a dedicated enthusiast camcorder line with K-mount native for lenses

Similar to Sony's VG900, but APS-C.

gazonk · 01-30-2013, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

If they have nothing more to offer than Beyblade-inspired WG's and Anime Q10s, I'll join the whining crowd

Hey, they have the pinhole lens for the Q as well, so I can remain a happy pentaxian

Clavius · 01-30-2013, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

Hey, they have the pinhole lens for the Q as well,

A pinhole lens? Seriously?! I think that answers the question in the other CP+ thread of how Pentax views its customers quite well.

gazonk · 01-30-2013, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

A pinhole lens? Seriously?

Actually, it seems to be more than just a hole, it's a "small hyperfocal lens". Anyway, it's a toy for the Q.

Asahiflex · 01-30-2013, 04:28 AM - **1 Like**

So far I see nothing but toys announced. And even the AF360FGZ II flash is a toy, if it has the same build quality as my own AF360FGZ.

01-29-2013, 10:13 PM	#188
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	GXR system, GRD and Ricoh P&S are frozen. Nothing new for last year. Absolutely nothing. K-01 and K-30 are developed in HOYA time. But we have A LOT OF interesting interviews.... I have all I want...But I'd like to see the progress in Ricoh Pentax. Last edited by ogl; 01-29-2013 at 11:20 PM.

01-29-2013, 11:29 PM	#190
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I was told by my local Pentax rep' (only a week ago) that a Pentax FF is definitely coming but he couldn't say when. I doubt ANY new APS-C cameras will be announced until later this year (maybe in September) because teh pricing structure of teh line would need a total shake-up to fit anything into it. The K-01 is going out at ridiculous prices (that camera is probably about to be discontinued) and will possibly be replaced by a low-end APS-C offering within the next 3 to 6 months so there may just be an announcement re' that. Last edited by bossa; 01-30-2013 at 02:06 AM.

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01-29-2013, 05:18 PM	#181
drugal Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Detroit suburbs Photos: Gallery Posts: 259	Originally posted by audiobomber possibly an entry-level K-r style replacement. Honestly this would give me the most hope, I think that not having an entry level camera is a mistake. I think entry level cameras bring people to the brand.

01-29-2013, 07:41 PM	#182
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by drugal Honestly this would give me the most hope, I think that not having an entry level camera is a mistake. I think entry level cameras bring people to the brand. I think the K-30 is somewhat coming down into the entry-level price range by now. Well, not 1100D-level, but at least the 650D/D5200. But oh, I sure do hope they put up even a mockup of something big coming this year. That would be enough. Maybe they're just waiting for Canikon to bring up their big guns before they do, just so that they get better opportunities for retention.

01-29-2013, 08:03 PM - 1 Like	#183
reivax Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 826	Originally posted by Alizarine I think the K-30 is somewhat coming down into the entry-level price range by now. Well, not 1100D-level, but at least the 650D/D5200. But oh, I sure do hope they put up even a mockup of something big coming this year. That would be enough. Maybe they're just waiting for Canikon to bring up their big guns before they do, just so that they get better opportunities for retention. I always thought the K-30 was the Kr replacement and, by default, was the entry level camera. The best idea would be to drop the price a little more, move the K-5II into mid range level, and then bring in something new in the high end. The K-5II would have to have its price dropped a bit, but that would only be reasonable. If the D5200 really is beating it out in some of the lab tests, then that's the price range it should be competing with. I remember hearing other people make this recommendation as well, but no one seems to bring it up anymore. When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less. I love my K-30 and the pictures it can take, but Canon and Nikon are offering features (better af for one) that Pentax just can't compete with. Pentax needs to become that "best bang for your buck" company that I used to recommend to everyone I know. It's just become so hard to make that recommendation.

01-29-2013, 08:10 PM	#184
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by reivax When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less. I think those days are farrrrrrrrr gone Since Hoya bought it, the whole bang for buck thing has been long gone...

01-29-2013, 08:21 PM	#185
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by JPT The point about insurance is probably true, but I did hear that the Q10's introduction was delayed four months by supply issues caused by the tsunami. It's quite possible that other releases were delayed too. Tsunami? Is it JOKE? Pentax didn't suffer from tsunami...No production lines in Japan.

01-29-2013, 08:59 PM - 1 Like	#186
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	This is more likely to be about the supply chain than about the final assembly location. I looked at my K-5; there are lots of little pieces inside. Who'd have guessed?

01-29-2013, 09:24 PM	#187
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Ford Motor Company couldn't assemble Focus cars in Mexico (or anywhere else in the world) because a SINGLE PART (the plastic fuse panel base) was single-sourced from a destroyed Japanese factory. Auto manufacturers lost access to 2/3 of the WORLD'S radiator hose supply for 18 weeks because a specific chemical, made only in Japan and Belgium, could not be made. Auto makers took their summer vacations in April, May and June because they all lost access to some critical part due to the tsunami. It isn't hard to imagine a relatively small camera company had a product introduction delayed, either by the earthquake, tsunami or by the Thai flooding. As a matter of fact, a global bank's research department recently went bullish on Ricoh stock because the knock-on effects of the tsunami and Thai flooding are finally behind Ricoh - and they believe DigiCam will be significantly additive to company earnings.

01-29-2013, 10:55 PM	#189
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by reivax I always thought the K-30 was the Kr replacement and, by default, was the entry level camera. The best idea would be to drop the price a little more, move the K-5II into mid range level, and then bring in something new in the high end. The K-5II would have to have its price dropped a bit, but that would only be reasonable. If the D5200 really is beating it out in some of the lab tests, then that's the price range it should be competing with. I remember hearing other people make this recommendation as well, but no one seems to bring it up anymore. When I "bought into" Pentax, the biggest reason was because it was the best value for my money. Lately, I feel like I'm paying more for less. I love my K-30 and the pictures it can take, but Canon and Nikon are offering features (better af for one) that Pentax just can't compete with. Pentax needs to become that "best bang for your buck" company that I used to recommend to everyone I know. It's just become so hard to make that recommendation. I think Pentax always refered to the K-30 as a mid-level camera. Whether you or I see it that way depends largely on if our criteria are primarily price or feature based. Price-wise, the K-30 is probably closer to entry level. If you value pentaprism vs. pentamirror, two control wheels, weather sealing, picture IQ, and SR, it's definitely mid range. I don't think any other brand offers even three out of five of those features on their mid range models.

01-30-2013, 12:20 AM	#191
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by bossa K-01 is going out at ridiculous prices (that camera is probably about to be discontinued) and will possibly be replaced by a low-end APS-C offering withing the next 3 to 6 months so there may just be an announcement re' that. Personally I'd be more interested if they developed the K-0x line into a dedicated enthusiast camcorder line with K-mount native for lenses Similar to Sony's VG900, but APS-C.

01-30-2013, 02:20 AM	#192
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by gazonk If they have nothing more to offer than Beyblade-inspired WG's and Anime Q10s, I'll join the whining crowd Hey, they have the pinhole lens for the Q as well, so I can remain a happy pentaxian

01-30-2013, 02:34 AM	#193
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by gazonk Hey, they have the pinhole lens for the Q as well, A pinhole lens? Seriously?! I think that answers the question in the other CP+ thread of how Pentax views its customers quite well.

01-30-2013, 04:11 AM	#194
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Clavius A pinhole lens? Seriously? Actually, it seems to be more than just a hole, it's a "small hyperfocal lens". Anyway, it's a toy for the Q.

01-30-2013, 04:28 AM - 1 Like	#195
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	So far I see nothing but toys announced. And even the AF360FGZ II flash is a toy, if it has the same build quality as my own AF360FGZ.