PMA@CES & CP+ coming up...

Raffwal · 01-27-2013, 10:15 PM

CP+ announcements:

A P&S camera
A major no-show disappointment
More disappointment
New unofficial rumors of the kingdom come camera finally being developed
Yawn

fuent104 · 01-27-2013, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by dcshooter

But it's going to be a drawn-out process of brand (and lens and camera) building before Pentax is a viable FF brand.

Alternatively, they could release a jaw-dropping product that gets attention for all of the right reasons, like the Sony full-frame fixed lens camera, or the entire Fuji X system.

I find it interesting that they don't commission top photographers to create projects to show off their camera systems. For example, when Canon wanted to launch the 5d MkII video function, they brought in a Pulitzer-winning photographer (V. LaForet, who has since built a career in video) to shoot with it.

Kunzite · 01-28-2013, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Cannikin

You mean 2011, right?

Yep, sorry - using the wrong calendar, I guess

dcshooter, the 645D "experiment" was started by the old Pentax Corporation; with such a competitive advantage on the DMF market, and with money already spent on R&D I'd guess it was easy to convince Hoya they should finish&launch it.
In comparison, trying to build a pro small format system now would be suicide, IMHO. Of course, there is the non-pro small format option...

fuent104, I don't believe into a one "jaw dropping" product. But how about the market? The Sony RX-1 is definitely an interesting product, how well does it sells? And the Fuji X? Aren't they still under the radar, despite putting some effort at making "jaw dropping" products?

Caat · 01-28-2013, 01:59 AM

The fundamental point is that none of us really know anything about what Pentax-Ricoh is actually doing.

However it seems increasingly that Pentax has a small market share because they have made some very bad decisions in the past - or at least decisions that in hindsight were bad. Although at least we are no longer living in the dark days of the *ist series when lens availability was so poor.

Kunzite · 01-28-2013, 03:15 AM

Are you sure nobody here have the slightest idea?

eurostar · 01-28-2013, 04:14 AM

If the ones in the know are so buttoned up, it's really like nobody here have the slightest idea, in the end.

**Rondec** · 01-28-2013, 04:32 AM

It is always like this. The people who know don't talk, the people who do talk don't know and things spin wildly out of control with a combination of gloom and doom and inflated speculation for the future.

My expectations have been for a 24 megapixel APS-C camera, for some time this spring and probably a full frame camera in December of this year.

mecrox · 01-28-2013, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

It is always like this. The people who know don't talk, the people who do talk don't know and things spin wildly out of control with a combination of gloom and doom and inflated speculation for the future.

My expectations have been for a 24 megapixel APS-C camera, for some time this spring and probably a full frame camera in December of this year.

That sounds pretty realistic. I think we may hear something more about the in-camera moire removal system Pentax have mentioned, because it is one of the few ways they can make waves and distance themselves from the thundering herd.

I'd add a new Ricoh cam of some kind. Putting Pentax in charge of Ricoh cameras is not unlike putting the fox in charge of the henhouse in some respects. Pentax might see in Ricoh cams a handy way of getting ride of the clamour for mirrorless cams using the K mount. Instead, Ricoh becomes the Pentax mirrorless brand so to speak. But who knows. I haven't a clue, though there have been fewer hints and talk on the web than usual so I'm not expecting unicorns.

Kunzite · 01-28-2013, 05:01 AM

While those who know won't talk, we have some information pointing out to the direction Pentax is going. I'd guess we can extrapolate that with quite a high degree of accuracy, from what they did in the past

Indeed, Pentax Ricoh seems even more secretive than Hoya-Pentax. Too bad about the unicorns, though.

IchabodCrane · 01-28-2013, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Huh? APS-C is Canon's bread-and-butter and I'd take a K-5 over a 7D any day of the week.

I'm OK with Pentax taking their time, but the FF is going to be divided. There's too much of an advantage with FF, and the disadvantage (cost) is rapidly going down.

I'd rather have a K-5 than a 7D, too. However, professional photographers, of which I'm not, want a superior photography "system" and Canon is better than Pentax in providing that. We don't need to look farther than the flash systems to understand why.

JPT · 01-28-2013, 06:18 AM

Looks like they will be introducing three new rugged compacts, at least.

CP+???????????????????????WG??????? - ????info

ogl · 01-28-2013, 07:40 AM

Who cares about it?

thibs · 01-28-2013, 07:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Uluru

I often use this as a joke too, but it seems that Pentax really believes that extra hundreds of colours and newly printed and laminated lens roadmaps constitute valid and viable new announcements.
In reality, it's nothing but a pathetic excuse to say "we actually have nothing to show" and that should be done in between photo shows, almost as a footnote.

RH get out of that body !!

audiobomber · 01-28-2013, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

I think the K-3 will not appear at least one year after the introduction of the K-5II. So I guess it is too early at CP+.

It's not too soon if the K-3 is a higher spec'd higher priced body. There's room for an APS-C line above the K-5.

Caat · 01-28-2013, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

It's not too soon if the K-3 is a higher spec'd higher priced body. There's room for an APS-C line above the K-5.

That's my opinion too.

A 24mp sensor, more AF points, larger viewfinder, faster FPS, E.L overlay on OVF, built-in WiFi, built-in GPS,

All of these are possible additions. Although I suspect all but the sensor, AF points and FPS would require a new body.

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01-27-2013, 11:32 PM	#137
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by dcshooter But it's going to be a drawn-out process of brand (and lens and camera) building before Pentax is a viable FF brand. Alternatively, they could release a jaw-dropping product that gets attention for all of the right reasons, like the Sony full-frame fixed lens camera, or the entire Fuji X system. I find it interesting that they don't commission top photographers to create projects to show off their camera systems. For example, when Canon wanted to launch the 5d MkII video function, they brought in a Pulitzer-winning photographer (V. LaForet, who has since built a career in video) to shoot with it.

01-28-2013, 01:12 AM	#138
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Cannikin You mean 2011, right? Yep, sorry - using the wrong calendar, I guess dcshooter, the 645D "experiment" was started by the old Pentax Corporation; with such a competitive advantage on the DMF market, and with money already spent on R&D I'd guess it was easy to convince Hoya they should finish&launch it. In comparison, trying to build a pro small format system now would be suicide, IMHO. Of course, there is the non-pro small format option... fuent104, I don't believe into a one "jaw dropping" product. But how about the market? The Sony RX-1 is definitely an interesting product, how well does it sells? And the Fuji X? Aren't they still under the radar, despite putting some effort at making "jaw dropping" products?

01-28-2013, 01:59 AM	#139
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	The fundamental point is that none of us really know anything about what Pentax-Ricoh is actually doing. However it seems increasingly that Pentax has a small market share because they have made some very bad decisions in the past - or at least decisions that in hindsight were bad. Although at least we are no longer living in the dark days of the *ist series when lens availability was so poor.

01-28-2013, 03:15 AM	#140
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Are you sure nobody here have the slightest idea?

01-28-2013, 04:14 AM	#141
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	If the ones in the know are so buttoned up, it's really like nobody here have the slightest idea, in the end.

01-28-2013, 04:32 AM	#142
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	It is always like this. The people who know don't talk, the people who do talk don't know and things spin wildly out of control with a combination of gloom and doom and inflated speculation for the future. My expectations have been for a 24 megapixel APS-C camera, for some time this spring and probably a full frame camera in December of this year.

01-28-2013, 04:42 AM	#143
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Rondec It is always like this. The people who know don't talk, the people who do talk don't know and things spin wildly out of control with a combination of gloom and doom and inflated speculation for the future. My expectations have been for a 24 megapixel APS-C camera, for some time this spring and probably a full frame camera in December of this year. That sounds pretty realistic. I think we may hear something more about the in-camera moire removal system Pentax have mentioned, because it is one of the few ways they can make waves and distance themselves from the thundering herd. I'd add a new Ricoh cam of some kind. Putting Pentax in charge of Ricoh cameras is not unlike putting the fox in charge of the henhouse in some respects. Pentax might see in Ricoh cams a handy way of getting ride of the clamour for mirrorless cams using the K mount. Instead, Ricoh becomes the Pentax mirrorless brand so to speak. But who knows. I haven't a clue, though there have been fewer hints and talk on the web than usual so I'm not expecting unicorns.

01-28-2013, 05:01 AM	#144
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	While those who know won't talk, we have some information pointing out to the direction Pentax is going. I'd guess we can extrapolate that with quite a high degree of accuracy, from what they did in the past Indeed, Pentax Ricoh seems even more secretive than Hoya-Pentax. Too bad about the unicorns, though.

01-28-2013, 05:52 AM	#145
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Huh? APS-C is Canon's bread-and-butter and I'd take a K-5 over a 7D any day of the week. I'm OK with Pentax taking their time, but the FF is going to be divided. There's too much of an advantage with FF, and the disadvantage (cost) is rapidly going down. I'd rather have a K-5 than a 7D, too. However, professional photographers, of which I'm not, want a superior photography "system" and Canon is better than Pentax in providing that. We don't need to look farther than the flash systems to understand why.

01-28-2013, 06:18 AM	#146
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Looks like they will be introducing three new rugged compacts, at least. CP+???????????????????????WG??????? - ????info

01-28-2013, 07:40 AM	#147
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Who cares about it?

01-28-2013, 07:46 AM - 1 Like	#148
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Uluru I often use this as a joke too, but it seems that Pentax really believes that extra hundreds of colours and newly printed and laminated lens roadmaps constitute valid and viable new announcements. In reality, it's nothing but a pathetic excuse to say "we actually have nothing to show" and that should be done in between photo shows, almost as a footnote. RH get out of that body !!

01-28-2013, 08:10 AM	#149
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by eurostar I think the K-3 will not appear at least one year after the introduction of the K-5II. So I guess it is too early at CP+. It's not too soon if the K-3 is a higher spec'd higher priced body. There's room for an APS-C line above the K-5.

01-28-2013, 08:17 AM	#150
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by audiobomber It's not too soon if the K-3 is a higher spec'd higher priced body. There's room for an APS-C line above the K-5. That's my opinion too. A 24mp sensor, more AF points, larger viewfinder, faster FPS, E.L overlay on OVF, built-in WiFi, built-in GPS, All of these are possible additions. Although I suspect all but the sensor, AF points and FPS would require a new body.