MX1 new Camera model

GeneV · 01-09-2013, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I think the Samsung is the only camera in this segment with better than F/7 lens on equivalent basis.

I.e. you'd get less noisy pics with the K-01 and the 18-55 lens.

I've made that case, myself. For most purposes in court, the ISO 3200 performance of the K01 without a flash is adequate. However, the size and interchangeable lenses seem to scare business owners off. The expense with a lens is more than with the high-end P&S as well.

I've also advocated going online to KEH and getting a used DSLR. So far, it hasn't stuck like the client who brought his LX5.

djrocks66 · 01-09-2013, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Wouldn't an EVF support and a hot shoe raise its price? The XZ-2's street price is $50 higher than the MX-1's launch price.

Well worth it!

GeneV · 01-09-2013, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by mrNewt

For the size of those lenses it should be more than enough ... that's what I have been preaching all along

.

I have my doubts. That is why I said "if." I don't understand what siize of the lenses has to do with it, really. You can use a wider aperture, but lower ISO than with APS-C, so you end up with about the same flash power needed.

mrNewt · 01-09-2013, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

I have my doubts. That is why I said "if." I don't understand what siize of the lenses has to do with it, really. You can use a wider aperture, but lower ISO than with APS-C, so you end up with about the same flash power needed.

Poorly worded, but you get what I am trying to say,

The flash should be strong enough for bouncing. These things are small but they are quite powerful.

SaikouShadou · 01-09-2013, 08:51 AM

i like that took of it.
hmmm MX-1 or Q10 with Q-K adapter~

Kunzite · 01-09-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by djrocks66

Well worth it!

Yeah, but not for everyone. Others wouldn't care about a viewfinder or external flashes, and go with the cheaper option.

djrocks66 · 01-09-2013, 09:45 AM

$50 to have a hot shoe and a port to add a view finder in the future is not worth it. $50? Come on now.

cali92rs · 01-09-2013, 09:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by djrocks66

$50 to have a hot shoe and a port to add a view finder in the future is not worth it. $50? Come on now.

...Plus a touch screen, plus a conrtol ring around the lens....

Kunzite · 01-09-2013, 09:50 AM

Not if you'd never use them

**monochrome** · 01-09-2013, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

The lack of external flash sync has been an issue for high end pocket cameras since the Olympus XA of 30 years ago prompted a cottage industry in modifying its flash units for pc syncs or hot shoes. All sizes | Adaptor Finished | Flickr - Photo Sharing! It would be nice to see progress

I never Knew about that!! Can we still get that done?

cali92rs · 01-09-2013, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Not if you'd never use them

Yes...if they were not available, you could not use them.
If they were available it would be kind of silly not to. Especially the control ring.
Honestly, the hotshoe, touch screen and control ring are 3 nice items that i think most people would gladly fork over 50 bux for (judging by all the comments here and on other websites).
If the price of the MX-1 settles in around 100 bux less than the XZ-2, then it would merit serious discussion.

IchabodCrane · 01-09-2013, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yeah, but not for everyone. Others wouldn't care about a viewfinder or external flashes, and go with the cheaper option.

Quite often people pay more for extra features even if they aren't sure they will use them. I guess you can call it "feature insurance" where people don't know whether they value something until they own it and use it several times. You can always earn anther $50 but you can't add a feature to a camera after you buy it.

That said, I'n not sure the street price difference between the MX-1 and XZ-2 will settle around $50 as that's the MSRP on the first and a discounted price on the second.

cali92rs · 01-09-2013, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by IchabodCrane

That said, I'n not sure the street price difference between the MX-1 and XZ-2 will settle around $50 as that's the MSRP on the first and a discounted price on the second.

Thats the million dollar (50 dollar?) question and a good point.
It is impossible to do a proper value evaluation until both settle at their street value. We may not know that for another 3-4 months.

GeneV · 01-09-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

I never Knew about that!! Can we still get that done?

I don't know. Most of the action these days is people doing it themselves. I've kicked the idea around, since I have several of the flash units (which went with several different XA/XA2 bodies). Adding a socket for pc sync is easier, but that probably belongs on another part of the forum.

GeneV · 01-09-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Thats the million dollar (50 dollar?) question and a good point.
It is impossible to do a proper value evaluation until both settle at their street value. We may not know that for another 3-4 months.

Even a $100 difference might make it a tough to pass up for many in the market for this camera. I can't see too many people who are already paying the extra money for this level of camera who would not at least know why these features would be useful.

01-09-2013, 10:04 AM	#311
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Kunzite Not if you'd never use them Yes...if they were not available, you could not use them. If they were available it would be kind of silly not to. Especially the control ring. Honestly, the hotshoe, touch screen and control ring are 3 nice items that i think most people would gladly fork over 50 bux for (judging by all the comments here and on other websites). If the price of the MX-1 settles in around 100 bux less than the XZ-2, then it would merit serious discussion. Last edited by cali92rs; 01-09-2013 at 10:15 AM.

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01-09-2013, 08:25 AM	#301
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I think the Samsung is the only camera in this segment with better than F/7 lens on equivalent basis. I.e. you'd get less noisy pics with the K-01 and the 18-55 lens. I've made that case, myself. For most purposes in court, the ISO 3200 performance of the K01 without a flash is adequate. However, the size and interchangeable lenses seem to scare business owners off. The expense with a lens is more than with the high-end P&S as well. I've also advocated going online to KEH and getting a used DSLR. So far, it hasn't stuck like the client who brought his LX5.

01-09-2013, 08:26 AM	#302
djrocks66 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 194	Originally posted by Kunzite Wouldn't an EVF support and a hot shoe raise its price? The XZ-2's street price is $50 higher than the MX-1's launch price. Well worth it!

01-09-2013, 08:30 AM	#303
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mrNewt For the size of those lenses it should be more than enough ... that's what I have been preaching all along . I have my doubts. That is why I said "if." I don't understand what siize of the lenses has to do with it, really. You can use a wider aperture, but lower ISO than with APS-C, so you end up with about the same flash power needed.

01-09-2013, 08:33 AM	#304
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by GeneV I have my doubts. That is why I said "if." I don't understand what siize of the lenses has to do with it, really. You can use a wider aperture, but lower ISO than with APS-C, so you end up with about the same flash power needed. Poorly worded, but you get what I am trying to say, The flash should be strong enough for bouncing. These things are small but they are quite powerful.

01-09-2013, 08:51 AM	#305
SaikouShadou Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 64	i like that took of it. hmmm MX-1 or Q10 with Q-K adapter~

01-09-2013, 09:34 AM	#306
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by djrocks66 Well worth it! Yeah, but not for everyone. Others wouldn't care about a viewfinder or external flashes, and go with the cheaper option.

01-09-2013, 09:45 AM	#307
djrocks66 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 194	$50 to have a hot shoe and a port to add a view finder in the future is not worth it. $50? Come on now.

01-09-2013, 09:50 AM - 1 Like	#308
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by djrocks66 $50 to have a hot shoe and a port to add a view finder in the future is not worth it. $50? Come on now. ...Plus a touch screen, plus a conrtol ring around the lens....

01-09-2013, 09:50 AM	#309
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Not if you'd never use them

01-09-2013, 10:02 AM	#310
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by GeneV The lack of external flash sync has been an issue for high end pocket cameras since the Olympus XA of 30 years ago prompted a cottage industry in modifying its flash units for pc syncs or hot shoes. All sizes \| Adaptor Finished \| Flickr - Photo Sharing! It would be nice to see progress I never Knew about that!! Can we still get that done?

01-09-2013, 10:35 AM	#312
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Kunzite Yeah, but not for everyone. Others wouldn't care about a viewfinder or external flashes, and go with the cheaper option. Quite often people pay more for extra features even if they aren't sure they will use them. I guess you can call it "feature insurance" where people don't know whether they value something until they own it and use it several times. You can always earn anther $50 but you can't add a feature to a camera after you buy it. That said, I'n not sure the street price difference between the MX-1 and XZ-2 will settle around $50 as that's the MSRP on the first and a discounted price on the second.

01-09-2013, 11:01 AM	#313
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by IchabodCrane That said, I'n not sure the street price difference between the MX-1 and XZ-2 will settle around $50 as that's the MSRP on the first and a discounted price on the second. Thats the million dollar (50 dollar?) question and a good point. It is impossible to do a proper value evaluation until both settle at their street value. We may not know that for another 3-4 months.

01-09-2013, 11:50 AM	#314
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by monochrome I never Knew about that!! Can we still get that done? I don't know. Most of the action these days is people doing it themselves. I've kicked the idea around, since I have several of the flash units (which went with several different XA/XA2 bodies). Adding a socket for pc sync is easier, but that probably belongs on another part of the forum.

01-09-2013, 11:58 AM	#315
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by cali92rs Thats the million dollar (50 dollar?) question and a good point. It is impossible to do a proper value evaluation until both settle at their street value. We may not know that for another 3-4 months. Even a $100 difference might make it a tough to pass up for many in the market for this camera. I can't see too many people who are already paying the extra money for this level of camera who would not at least know why these features would be useful.